The VEAT Inherent.


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So... this is kind of an odd issue, but...

I was looking over the inherent powers, which I really think bring flavor to the archetypes.

Fury, Defiance, Gauntlet, Containment, Domination, Critical Hit...

Aaaand... then I got to Conditioning.

...Yeah.

Self: Increased Regeneration (0.50%) and Recovery (1.75%)

...*cough*

...There are set bonuses more powerful than this.

I mean, it's not like it's -bad- or anything, but... we get Fitness at level 2 now.


I mean, look at the other inherents. Critical hits. Scourge. Fury. Domination. These are things that define an archetype.

VEATs get an inherent that most people likely have forgotten existed.

You'd think that VEATs, being designed to play well in teams, would have something like Vigilance. But...

...I dunno. It's just weird effectively "not having" an inherent, especially for an epic. You know?


 

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Actually I will point out that VEATs are massive endurance hogs, I mean huge, they actually require that Inherent to be somewhat playable during the early days, even with Stamina.


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The VEAT inherent is an increase to their BASE Recovery and Regeneration. That means any buffs to them, like the Stamina and Health we all get for free, will be stronger.

Besides, VEATs don't need a strong inherent. They're awesome as they are.


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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU View Post
Actually I will point out that VEATs are massive endurance hogs, I mean huge, they actually require that Inherent to be somewhat playable during the early days, even with Stamina.
True, but once you get out of the early levels, it sort of fades into the background.

It's a hard working little fellow, but it never gets any recognition.

Especially not from me.


 

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Originally Posted by Vanden View Post
The VEAT inherent is an increase to their BASE Recovery and Regeneration. That means any buffs to them, like the Stamina and Health we all get for free, will be stronger.

Besides, VEATs don't need a strong inherent. They're awesome as they are.
...Oh!

Math, yes.

That would be... yes. Okay then.


 

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Speaking as a fellow VEAT...

MORE, GIVE ME MORE RECOVERY. I NEEEED MORE RECOVERY.

That is all.


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Originally Posted by NightErrant View Post
...I dunno. It's just weird effectively "not having" an inherent, especially for an epic. You know?
tl;dr version: VEATs don't need an inherent

Honestly it doesn't really both me. The main purpose of Inherents (IMHO) is to help differentiate ATs with the same powersets by allowing the same powers to work in different ways and allow different playstyles.
Defiance versus Scourge
Critical Hits versus Fury versus Assassination
Containment versus Domination

The other ones don't really fit into this but serve other useful purposes. Gauntlet and Supremacy are mostly about encouraging a certain play style (damage dealing tanking for Gauntlet and tight pet control for Supremacy). Vigilance is the most obvious "non-power" and indeed it was originally added as a bit of an afterthought (the recent buff was about addressing issues with Defenders not issues with Vigilance).

EATs, however, are in a special situation. They have unique powersets so the need to differentiate is not there. Khelds have an inherent along the lines of Gauntlet or Supremacy, it's there to encourage a particular play style, Peacebringers are designed to help make up for their teammates weaknesses, providing more damage to a low damage team or more toughness on a high damage team. Warshades are designed to accentuate their teammates strengths, adding more toughness on a tough team or more damage on a high damage team.

VEATs, on the other hand, have a Vigilance style inherent, added as something of an afterthought so that they have one. This is largely because they don't really need one, they provide strong team buffs and debuffs along with good personal damage and self buffs. Trying to shoehorn in some special inherent wouldn't really do much. Effectively their inherent is the Tactical Training powers, a set of special Leadership powers that provide strong team and self buffs.


 

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IIRC, in beta they didn't originally have any inherent, but people complained because "all other ATs have one", so this small boost was thrown in to appease the masses.


 

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Originally Posted by PhroX View Post
IIRC, in beta they didn't originally have any inherent, but people complained because "all other ATs have one", so this small boost was thrown in to appease the masses.
Actually the inherent was there in the form of increased base regen and recovery, but wasn't indicated with a nifty little power icon like all other ATs get. So people moaned and groaned about VEATs not having an inherent and the devs gave us an icon.

True story bro


 

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Originally Posted by Alpha-One View Post
Actually the inherent was there in the form of increased base regen and recovery, but wasn't indicated with a nifty little power icon like all other ATs get. So people moaned and groaned about VEATs not having an inherent and the devs gave us an icon.
Isn't that true for most ATs? Scrappers, Blasters, Tankers, Corruptors and Stalkers and several more have their "Inherent" power baked into their primary powers, while the Inherent power does nothing mechanically and only says "hey this is my gimmick".

Either way the VEAT's inherent is being a ******* VEAT. It's the best inherent.


 

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Originally Posted by Alpha-One View Post
Actually the inherent was there in the form of increased base regen and recovery, but wasn't indicated with a nifty little power icon like all other ATs get. So people moaned and groaned about VEATs not having an inherent and the devs gave us an icon.

True story bro
Wasn't really moaning. We said specifically to Castle that he should just add a little icon and call it the inherent. VEATs we recognized by most testers to not need any form of real inherent. Their real inherent is awesome. Which is a bit hard to quantify.


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