Free players + inventions
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Amy_Amp,
Posted on: 2011-07-20 14:33 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I agree - I can't imagine what benefit to the game there is in not allowing free players access to the IO system. I mean, what is the intention of that?
Looking over the highlights thread Tier 7 of the Paragon Rewards program includes access to the invention system.
So if they stick around long enough or spend quite a bit of money, or a combination of the two they will eventually get access to The Invention System.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
Looking over the highlights thread Tier 7 of the Paragon Rewards program includes access to the invention system.
So if they stick around long enough or spend quite a bit of money, or a combination of the two they will eventually get access to The Invention System. |
Yes but think of how much cheaper everything could be in the market if its flooded with all new stuff. Know all that mid level salvage thats going up to 1million [common!]? Market could be flooded with them within a month if it goes well.
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I don't know. I kind of wish they'd deny me from using the Inventions system so I'd have an excuse for why I'm not the next time people start telling me how great it is, but I'll be paying a subscription so no luck there. Dang, almost!
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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It's another shiny to entice freemium players to become VIPs. Considering how much more powerful your characters can be with IOs, it seems like good motivation to fork over $15 per month.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Yes but think of how much cheaper everything could be in the market if its flooded with all new stuff. Know all that mid level salvage thats going up to 1million [common!]? Market could be flooded with them within a month if it goes well.
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Yes but with all the alternate ways to get stuff (AE Tickets,Reward Merits,Alignment Merits,Astral/EMP Merit conversions) there are plenty of ways people can flood the market with stuff. People could also use those methods to completley bypass the market all together.
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They'd also increase demand. |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Saw on the other thread mentioned that free players DONT get access to the invention system. Now i know its still early and could change but i really do think it'ld be better for the game to allow them access to it.
Some IOs in the market are either far too expensive or none are up for sale [positron blast triple one below level 43 for example, none are for sale] and having an influx of new players chuck anything and everything into the market would really bring new life to it. I dont know if im the only one who thinks this and i do think it deserves its own thread because it is an issue that would greatly enhance Freedom for me. Hopefully at least take it into consideration? |
Unless you're proposing giving them selling-rights but not buying-rights...
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Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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Giving Paragon a way to make more money by players unlocking it.
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Originally Posted by Feycat
I mean, what is the intention of that?
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Just to avoid confusion - Are you proposing that this kind of market crash is good or bad?
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Yes but think of how much cheaper everything could be in the market if its flooded with all new stuff. Know all that mid level salvage thats going up to 1million [common!]? Market could be flooded with them within a month if it goes well.
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Honestly, I was worried that Paragon was giving free players too much. Why pay if you have access to just about everything? I'm glad they are locked out of the IO system, with the option to purchase, of course.
As for the market, it is only one means to get your IO's. I probably use Hero Merits and Reward Merits just as much as Wentworths.
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lower tiers of the reward system do not have buying rights only selling rights, actually they cant even trade with anyone until tier 2 and they cant even sell on the market until tier 4|
Originally Posted by Arilou
They'd also increase demand.
Unless you're proposing giving them selling-rights but not buying-rights... |
i actually did not see anything on the slides in that thread about buying on the market in any tier so until i see dev comment im gonna assume that buying on the market is a VIP only thing
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Originally Posted by Arilou
They'd also increase demand.
Unless you're proposing giving them selling-rights but not buying-rights... |
Selling rights would be a start since they'ld at least still be able to make influence until they have enough money to go VIP [just as an example].
I can understand them wanting to have a reason to go VIP, but i just think that the market would benefit from this so much thats the postives far outshine the negatives. Obviously i know people will have the opposite viewpoint but im trying to look at it from a new players perspective.
A new player [who lets say is a new VIP] goes to use the market but a large percentage of the market is simply too expensive for him/her. I know there are ways to make money quickly on any level alt but the average new player would surely take a while to be able to grasp it?
If the market was flooded then prices [in theory?] would be lower and it would at least give the perspective of a healthy market and not something that only the rich can enter into.
Might just be my own experience but today i was looking at inventions for my ice/cold corruptor and the prices of just basic IOs was simply far too much for a new player and the alt i was on [i had to transfer a LOT of inf over to buy basics]. A level 40 standard recharge IO is now going for 1million EACH. Now if memory serves me right, i used to get the 1million inf earned badge around level 27 [would be higher today thanks to the xp increase] and so by the time they reach that level they would have the inf to buy a small handfull of items.
For such a huge part of the game, the ability to use it for new players really needs to be looked at in my opinion. If not, then the tier which they are unlocked at needs to be really tier 2/3 MAX. Inventions and fine tuning your builds keeps many players here as a game within a game [just like roleplaying and bases] and could be the deciding factor for many players whether they stay or go.
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but i aint honest!
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The IO system is both fairly arcane to understand, and has the potential to make characters much more powerful. Those are both pretty darn good reasons to put them behind the paywall. (Remember, you don't have to wait until Tier Whatever to get Invention access if you're a VIP.)
As far as the market goes, there's no reason to think a huge influx of new IO users would magically increase supply but not demand. On its face it seems to me the opposite is more likely.
I'd actually like it if the F2Pers had access to the market, but only for selling, and to inventions, but only common ("White") ones.
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
Saw on the other thread mentioned that free players DONT get access to the invention system. Now i know its still early and could change but i really do think it'ld be better for the game to allow them access to it.
Some IOs in the market are either far too expensive or none are up for sale [positron blast triple one below level 43 for example, none are for sale] and having an influx of new players chuck anything and everything into the market would really bring new life to it.
I dont know if im the only one who thinks this and i do think it deserves its own thread because it is an issue that would greatly enhance Freedom for me. Hopefully at least take it into consideration?
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