Wondering about IOs and how to slot them in my tank?


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I'm new to the CoH forum community and I just got back into the game after 3-4 years out of it. A lot has changed in the game since I've been gone and I sort of know how to use IOs but not real well.
Currently I have a level 45 INV/SS tanker and I have enough INF to buy some good IOs for the toon. Im trying to make the toon more of a solo build, so that he could take some damage but also dish out a good amount of damage.
What I don't understand is how to get set bonuses and how to slot the IOs correctly for the toon to become fairly good.
A guide or an outline would be appreciated to how the toon should be built and how to placee IOs since I'm almost completely lost after a few tries myself:P


 

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Originally Posted by Zeus77 View Post
I'm new to the CoH forum community and I just got back into the game after 3-4 years out of it. A lot has changed in the game since I've been gone and I sort of know how to use IOs but not real well.
Currently I have a level 45 INV/SS tanker and I have enough INF to buy some good IOs for the toon. Im trying to make the toon more of a solo build, so that he could take some damage but also dish out a good amount of damage.
What I don't understand is how to get set bonuses and how to slot the IOs correctly for the toon to become fairly good.
A guide or an outline would be appreciated to how the toon should be built and how to placee IOs since I'm almost completely lost after a few tries myself:P
There was a guy who wrote a post about soft-capping an Inv tanker with Smashing Haymakers in your attacks and Reactive Armors in your defenses, which are relatively inexpensive as IOs go. Sorry, but I don't remember his name or how long ago he wrote the post. (You have to be amongst mobs to hit the soft-cap, but that's not usually a problem for tanks.)

I suggest you get the Mids character builder from http://www.cohplanner.com/ and experiment with those sets.


 

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Welcome back and to the forums!

To get the bonuses for Set IOs you have to slot IOs from the same set into the same power. You can't use duplicate IOs in the same power mind you (so no Crushing Impact: Acc/Dmg more than once in a power). You have to use each piece.

If you're looking at Mids the little info window will tell you what bonuses you'll get for however many pieces of the set you've slotted. In game, hovering you mouse over the IO will do the same.

There is a method of using set IOs to enhance your build on a more limited budget, which is called Frankenslotting. This entails that you mix/match multiple aspect set IOs (acc/dmg/end/rech for example) with common IOs in order to maximize the potential of your powers.

Since you've been away for so long I'm going to assume you don't have billions of influence and would recommend frankenslotting to get you back into the game. As fas as slotting your Inv/SS there are some other threads in the forum discussing it. Top end builds focus on softcapping s/l/e/n defense, if not also f/c (or close to it) while also shooting for extra global recharge to get dull pain up faster.

If you don't have Mids yet, highly recommended you get it as it is a great tool.


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Originally Posted by Finduilas View Post
The guide that Rodion referred to is Call_Me_Awesome's guide to soft-capping Invulnerability, which you can find here:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=126983

You may not be able to afford this right away, but IMO this is the sort of thing you should be working toward. There have also been a ton of Inv/SS build threads in this forum, if you search you can probably find them.
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Anyway Zeus while my soft cap guide was written a couple of years ago in issue 13 it's still applicable to today's game and it's the least expensive route I know of to building an extremely tough tanker.

There have been some things change since I wrote it but nothing that affects the slotting... the main difference is the Fitness pool has become an INHERENT pool that everyone gets free at level 2, this opens up room for three new powers in your build. You'll need to respec your character in order to take advantage of this assuming you took Hurdle, Health & Stamina on your character originally.

At the time I wrote that guide the basic build could be done for around 20 million or so... with today's market prices that's roughly 150-200 million if you're patient and willing to take lower level IO's. As an example those level 40 Reactive Armor will cost a fortune but you should, with some patience, be able to get level 30-35 Reactive Armor recipes for 10% of what the level 40's sell for. Be aware that you aren't really sacrificing much either... the difference in your resistance from slotting all level 40 RA vs all level 25 is only ~2%. Smashing Haymaker is still an inexpensive set and Mocking Beratement is practically free on the market... last I looked most of the MB recipes were selling for a few thousand inf each.


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I can't use the Mids Hero Planner because I'm on a Mac, but I have played around with it previously. I'm understanding IOs a little more but I'm still confused with set bonuses and how they work. What I'm getting out of it is I can't use an IO that has Acc/Dam or End/Recharge twice in a specific power. In order to get the set bonus I have to use each piece of the IO in that certain power to get the most out of it?
As for the money issue, I don't think it should be a problem. I have about 3 bill so I'm thinking I could get some decent IOs once I figure the whole IO/set bonus thing out.


 

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You got it Z. A set is exactly what it is. lets go with smashing heymaker, its a 5 piece set (could be 4 I cant remember) 1 piece wont give any bonus, 2 piecies will give you your mez resistance, 3pieces will give you a hp bonus, 4 pieces of the set gives you your defense bonus and so on. You can only slot one piece of the same kind in the same power. Also take note that you can only have 5 of the same size bonus. So if smashing haymaler gives 1.25%def then you can only get that specicfic bonus 5 times. Kinetic combat gives 3.75 to def and you can only get that same bonus 5 times.


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Originally Posted by Zeus77 View Post
I can't use the Mids Hero Planner because I'm on a Mac, but I have played around with it previously. I'm understanding IOs a little more but I'm still confused with set bonuses and how they work. What I'm getting out of it is I can't use an IO that has Acc/Dam or End/Recharge twice in a specific power. In order to get the set bonus I have to use each piece of the IO in that certain power to get the most out of it?
As for the money issue, I don't think it should be a problem. I have about 3 bill so I'm thinking I could get some decent IOs once I figure the whole IO/set bonus thing out.
Actually you can't use the SAME set IO twice in a power... I think that's what you're saying but the way you worded it was slightly ambiguous.

You get the bonuses for slotting more pieces of a particular set into a specific power; as an example let's take the Smashing Haymaker set and your tier one attack Jab.

You've slotted the Acc/Dam piece in... you get no set bonuses.
You put the Dam/Recharge in the second slot... you get the 2 slot bonus (immobilize resistance of 2.2%... worthless)
You put the Dam/Endurance in the third slot... you get the 2 slot bonus and the 3 slot bonus (1.125% additional hit points)
You put the Dam/End/Recharge into the fourth slot... you get the 2 slot bonus, the 3 slot bonus and the 4 slot bonus of 1.875% S/L defense.
That will give you the bonus you're looking for from the set, but it'll leave your attack under slotted for accuracy and damage; the easy solution is to add a 5th slot to the attack and buy an Acc/Dam/Recharge IO from the Crushing Impact set to max out the damage, give enough accuracy and a little more recharge in that attack.

You can get a given bonus up to 5 times in a build by slotting sets that give it in 5 powers, so you could put the Smashing Haymaker set into 5 single target attacks and get all of those bonuses 5 times giving you (among the other bonuses) 9.375% S/L defense total.

You can also slot four pieces of the Reactive Armor set into 5 resistance powers and get another 6.25% defense to S/L and to E/N.

All of this does get complicated pretty fast as with set IO bonuses you can really change the way your character works. Want the defenses of an Ice tanker layered on top of the resistance of an Invuln and the regeneration of a Stone tanker? IO's can give your Invuln that.

Your bankroll is MORE than enough for everything in my guide; you've enough to get some of the extras as well. Purple sets would be stretching things somewhat (frequently 400 million per IO or more) but they really won't help you all that much. You should be able to buy everything in my guide for under 500 million provided you use a moderate amount of patience.


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Originally Posted by Zeus77 View Post
What I'm getting out of it is I can't use an IO that has Acc/Dam or End/Recharge twice in a specific power.
I think there needs to be a small clarification here: You can't slot more then one Acc/Dam from A single set.

For example: You could 3 slot a Melee power with an ACC/Dam IO from the following sets; Crushing Impact set, the Touch of Death Set and the Mako's bite set (generally referred to as Frankenslotting). That is allowed by the game.

You can't slot two Crushing Impact: Acc/Dam IOs into one power.

I hope that is clearer.


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Okay I definitely understand this more now. I found this guide that helped me further clarify things and to me it seems like a good guide. http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/I...hancement_Sets
I also checked up on Call me Awesome's guide which helps a lot! Now I just got to get to WW and get my slotting right:P


 

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Oh and can I use 4 pieces of Reactive Armor in one power, for example Resist Physical Damage and then get 4 more pieces and use it in Unyielding?


 

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[QUOTE=Zeus77;3747033]I can't use the Mids Hero Planner because I'm on a Mac, but I have played around with it previously.QUOTE]

You should use the online planner, it can be used on a MAC.

http://planner.cohtitan.com/planner


 

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Hey Zeus,

One thing that may not be obvious at first (certainly took me a while to notice) is that it can be a lot easier to buy recipes through a Merit Vendor than the Auction House. For example if you are following Call_Me_Awesome's excellent build suggestions you will want a few lvl 40 Reactive Armor enhancements. You can buy the recipe for them for 50 Reward Merits, and you can get 50 reward merits just by getting 10 badges

ps: Then you nip over to the AE building to spend your tickets on the necessary salvage.


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I finally figured out the IOs and set bonuses. Gotta say, It's easier than I thought. Just requires some explaining and experimenting. Although I noticed that most of my set bonuses say "tiny increase to dam/acc, etc." Is this because the IOs are a lower level? For example getting an impervium armor level 45 to impervium armor level 50?


 

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Originally Posted by Zeus77 View Post
I finally figured out the IOs and set bonuses. Gotta say, It's easier than I thought. Just requires some explaining and experimenting. Although I noticed that most of my set bonuses say "tiny increase to dam/acc, etc." Is this because the IOs are a lower level? For example getting an impervium armor level 45 to impervium armor level 50?
No, the bonuses are the same regardless of the IO level you're slotting. In general, drop rarity determines how large the bonuses are for a particular set.

I'm not sure whether you've seen this page on PW, but I've found it useful in the past, especially for finding sets with larger bonuses:

http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Invent...hancement_Sets

Keep in mind that drop rarity is not always directly correlated to the price for a particular recipe at Wentworth's or the BM. How much players are willing to pay for a recipe is more dependent on how desirable the set bonuses are and how many players can use it. So, for example, a Melee Damage set with desirable is likely to much more expensive than say an Slow or Intangible set with the same bonus.

Likewise, a set of a commonly used type won't be popular if none of the bonuses are very useful--Focused Smite is a good example of this. Of course, sets like that are great for frankenslotting, since they're cheap and set bonuses aren't the point of frankenslotting.


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A lvl 25 Impervium set bonus will be the same as a lvl 50 Impervium set bonus. The enhancement values on the lvl 50 will be higher then the lvl 25. (Ie higher resistance, end reduction, and recharge percentages)

With the level 50 Imperviums, once you exemp below lvl 47 you will lose the set bonuses. The enhancement values will scale down as you exemp down from lvl 50.

With the level 25 Imperviums, once you exemp down below lvl 22 you will lose the set bonuses. The enhancement values will scale down once you get below lvl 25.


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If you haven't read it yet, and no one has brought it up yet, remember the Rule of 5.
Only 5 of the same kind and amount of set bonus will take.

Example, lets say you have six attack powers. And you slot each of them with an IO set that gives you a 2.5% Recovery bonus. The sixth will be ignored and you'd only have 12.5% bonus total.

Or say you have three attacks slotted with that same IO set, and three armor toggles with another IO set that also gives you 2.5% Recovery bonuses for it. Again, that sixth 2.5% will not take effect.

But, if you slotted one of those attacks or toggles with an IO set that gives you 3% Recovery bonus, that WOULD take.


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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
If you haven't read it yet, and no one has brought it up yet, remember the Rule of 5.
Only 5 of the same kind and amount of set bonus will take.

Example, lets say you have six attack powers. And you slot each of them with an IO set that gives you a 2.5% Recovery bonus. The sixth will be ignored and you'd only have 12.5% bonus total.

Or say you have three attacks slotted with that same IO set, and three armor toggles with another IO set that also gives you 2.5% Recovery bonuses for it. Again, that sixth 2.5% will not take effect.

But, if you slotted one of those attacks or toggles with an IO set that gives you 3% Recovery bonus, that WOULD take.


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you didnt read every response did you?

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You can only slot one piece of the same kind in the same power. Also take note that you can only have 5 of the same size bonus. So if smashing haymaler gives 1.25%def then you can only get that specicfic bonus 5 times. Kinetic combat gives 3.75 to def and you can only get that same bonus 5 times. .


I dont really know what to say
Electric Armour and the Soft cap
Electric Armour and the 1st 20 levels
Thundra Knight
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you didnt read every response did you?
You didn't read my very first sentence, did you?


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You can buy the recipe for them for 50 Reward Merits, and you can get 50 reward merits just by getting 10 badges
Of course those people that are wiser in the ways of the Market than me would recommend you convert those reward merits into Alignment Merits (costs you a few million) then buy a Luck of The Gambler: Def/Increase Recharge Speed and flog that for 150-200 million.


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