SS/FA for both
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I second this.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
SS/FA for both
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(Iggy beat be to it. Posting anyway.)
While I don't keep up with farming trends, I suspect that Super Strength/Fiery Aura Brute would be the melee farming king. How does two back to back RWZ challenges at a minute each sound for AoE damage output? (edit: not me) And I *think* this was pre level shift and incarnate abilities.
My AoE-oriented Fire/Shield pales in comparison with a 1:40 RWZ challenge run (I think pre level shift and incarnate abilities). I'm confident I could get it under 1:30 with some luck and fewer mistakes, but there's no way I'm closing in on 1 minute, probably not even WITH all the incarnate abilities. My Fire/Shield is a pretty good farmer. I can only imagine Super Strength/Fiery Aura.
Surviving the RWZ challenge should be enough survivability for any farming needs. Fiery Aura isn't the toughest secondary, but it's tough enough when built right.
Burst damage... well, it depends on what you mean. Any Brute is going to take a little while to get Fury rolling, and you'll want to double-stack Rage. But if you're counting those as givens, hit Fiery Embrace and Knockout Blow and see what happens. I haven't run any numbers, but my guess is "a whole lot of damage." And you should be able to put together a decent chain. I'm not really a Brute DPS expert, though.
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Burn-Gloom-Haymaker-KOB-Gloom-Haymaker. Purple procs in Burn, Gloom, and Haymaker, -res proc in Burn.
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Originally Posted by Werner
Burst damage... well, it depends on what you mean. Any Brute is going to take a little while to get Fury rolling, and you'll want to double-stack Rage. But if you're counting those as givens, hit Fiery Embrace and Knockout Blow and see what happens. I haven't run any numbers, but my guess is "a whole lot of damage." And you should be able to put together a decent chain. I'm not really a Brute DPS expert, though.
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Originally Posted by Werner
While I don't keep up with farming trends, I suspect that Super Strength/Fiery Aura Brute would be the melee farming king. How does two back to back RWZ challenges at a minute each sound for AoE damage output? (edit: not me) And I *think* this was pre level shift and incarnate abilities.
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| Burst damage... well, it depends on what you mean. Any Brute is going to take a little while to get Fury rolling, and you'll want to double-stack Rage. But if you're counting those as givens, hit Fiery Embrace and Knockout Blow and see what happens. I haven't run any numbers, but my guess is "a whole lot of damage." And you should be able to put together a decent chain. I'm not really a Brute DPS expert, though. |
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Burn-Gloom-Haymaker-KOB-Gloom-Haymaker. Purple procs in Burn, Gloom, and Haymaker, -res proc in Burn.
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Welll.....I'm not so sure....|
Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
SS/FA for both
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EvilRyu, what are you planning to purp farm? AE fire maps won't work, and running endless council gets...old.
If you plan to do all-round stuff, any non-tanker on fire aura is going to be delicate. I'd be looking at a ss/elec/soul brute at a minimum. Toxic is more rare at L50 than psi, outside of the Apex sewer run from hell.
Oh, and no scrapper is going to be able to compete in this sort of evaluation, so I hope you like fury.
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Two RWZ challenges back to back without the level shift is far from delicate. If you can survive that, you should be able to survive most any farm environment, particularly on +0, particularly with ten thousand inspirations raining down on you from your kill speed.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
If you plan to do all-round stuff, any non-tanker on fire aura is going to be delicate.
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Good question, what I plan on doing with the farming character is tip missions set for 8 people. I avoid annoying factions like malta and carnies but thats because I havent found a build that works against them 100% of the time. Electric seems more like what I want to do only because I might want to take those character thru the incarnate stuff provided that they fix the 10 threads thing even though I worked my butt off just as hard as the next person, at some point in time. Since those tend to be energy and psi heavy electric seems better for this. Can brutes get 90% resists to electric without tier 9 or thats only under tier 9?
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Welll.....I'm not so sure....
EvilRyu, what are you planning to purp farm? AE fire maps won't work, and running endless council gets...old. If you plan to do all-round stuff, any non-tanker on fire aura is going to be delicate. I'd be looking at a ss/elec/soul brute at a minimum. Toxic is more rare at L50 than psi, outside of the Apex sewer run from hell. Oh, and no scrapper is going to be able to compete in this sort of evaluation, so I hope you like fury. |
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Good question, what I plan on doing with the farming character is tip missions set for 8 people. I avoid annoying factions like malta and carnies but thats because I havent found a build that works against them 100% of the time.
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I have farmed a lot (A LOT) of tip missions at 0x8. I have done a large number of those with a buddy who brought a SERIOUSLY tooled-up ss/fa brute to the party. Even with external buffs, Malta, Carnies, Devouring Earth, and Nemesis all gave him real trouble. Especially Carnies. OMG, the Carny bosses are flippin' ridiculous.... If you 'toss out' all the annoying tip mission factions, it winds up taking forever. So you need a toon beefy enough to take on 'all comers'.
I have personally used a fire/fire tanker and an elec/elec scrapper for these purposes. If I had to choose only one toon, I'd look very hard at a ss/elec/soul brute, or, a fire/wp/soul brute. The elec would be faster, the wp would be nigh-unstoppable.
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| Electric seems more like what I want to do only because I might want to take those character thru the incarnate stuff provided that they fix the 10 threads thing even though I worked my butt off just as hard as the next person, at some point in time. Since those tend to be energy and psi heavy electric seems better for this. Can brutes get 90% resists to electric without tier 9 or thats only under tier 9? |
90 percent resist to energy damage is easy on a brute, no tier 9 required.
Heck, with the T9 up, they're at 90 percent to everything but tox and 80 percent even to that, if you throw 2 slots at it.
We are talking about +0/x8 purple farming here right?
Not sure anything could even last long enough to put a dent on a SS/FA Brute... There's just no replacing FE and Burn........
But I guess I just likes me my SS/FA
Burn and Fiery Embrace are irreplaceable. If you want top notch AoE and ST damage, it's the way to go.
You can make a SS/Fire pretty tough in addition to its unrivaled damage. I believe it's the only melee character to solo the STF thus far. For incarante trials you'll likely have some sort of outside buffs, plus there are always inspirations.
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I have been kicking around the thought of a DM/Shield for a good hybrid single target/aoe blend.
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I am kind of worried about burn. Last time I played fire armor was back in issue 1. After they changed it to make everything run from it I stopped playing fire. Dont get me wrong I know it was overpowered back then having your own portable rotisserie oven but I was hoping the devs would have made some sort of compromise on it since then. If it means I have to get an immobilize just to make it work I am not sure if I can go with fire again.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Burn and Fiery Embrace are irreplaceable. If you want top notch AoE and ST damage, it's the way to go.
You can make a SS/Fire pretty tough in addition to its unrivaled damage. I believe it's the only melee character to solo the STF thus far. For incarante trials you'll likely have some sort of outside buffs, plus there are always inspirations. |
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Burn doesn't cause fear anymore, that's one of the things they changed with the FA buffs and one of the reasons Burn is so good now. Most of the damage is frontloaded unlike before with some damage ticks.
I know some Scrappers say that enemies still run from Burn, but that's not Burn, it's the lack of taunt aura.
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I run tips with a fire/fire tank.|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
I am kind of worried about burn. Last time I played fire armor was back in issue 1. After they changed it to make everything run from it I stopped playing fire. Dont get me wrong I know it was overpowered back then having your own portable rotisserie oven but I was hoping the devs would have made some sort of compromise on it since then. If it means I have to get an immobilize just to make it work I am not sure if I can go with fire again.
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Lemme repeat: FIRE/FIRE OMG THE WORLD IS ON FIRE TANK.
Once you get combustion, fire sword circle, and burn fast enough to chain them with perma-burn rolling, and blazing aura ticking away, all of it stacking up reactives for even MORE fire, and THEN you punch fiery embrace AND build-up at the same time and nuke the poor suckers with EVEN MOAR FIRE?
Then, you'll understand.
I've aggroed three full spawns of Cimmerorans (you know the spot, first map of the ITF, at the top of that looong slope early in the mission) and watched all three spawns worth pile up around my feet, the minions dropping as fast as they can run in, the LT's right behind them, ignoring the healers becuz they can even begin to keep up, until all that's left is a half dozen mostly-dead bosses that don't run an inch away from me thanks to the taunt....
And then the team catches up.
Yeah. That's the stuff.
Sure, a ss/fire brute is maybe faster under ideal conditions like an ambush map, but a blazing inferno on legs tank that never freakin' stops or even slows down, trundling like a lava flow from spawn to spawn while the leftover bosses run like hell to catch up and jump back into the inferno?
It does all right.
If you wanna see a SS/Fire in action (not mine) check out the 14:45 ITF link in my sig, it's a youtube video of the TF recorded through a friends Brute. It was before all of this incarnate nonsense, but it'll give you an idea of how awesome they can be.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Sure, a ss/fire brute is maybe faster under ideal conditions like an ambush map
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Don't you mean a SS/Fire is faster under every condition?
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All I know is, I have run 330 tip missions in a row, multiple times, on a fire/fire tank, often times with a very good ss/fire brute along. All at 0x8, vs all comers. The only thing I absolutely refused to do was the freakin' Knives, and not because they are hard, but because the -run was so freakin' annoying.
Under those conditions, I came along and dropped him a wakie quite a few times.
He never had to come and get me. Speed is only useful while you're alive. Staying sharp and 'on your game' for 15 minutes is not hard, but doing it for hours and hours and hours and hours....
YMMV.
I am looking for player opinions based on actual game play experience and numbers. What I am trying to do is create one character for purple farming and another for extreme single target burst damage (killing stuff in the fewest hits possible). The things I am unsure about are the powersets to do this best with and if if both of these can actually be 1 character. If there are any threads already on the subject please list them as thats good reading to help with making the best decisions on this.
My main questions are which will give you more damage potential via farming a damage aura or a +damage aura like what shields has, basically killing entire groups as fast as possible. Next should I do this character as a brute if I take the damage aura resists set so that fury can add to it since no damage auras get crits as far as I know or will the higher base damage of a scrapper work better? Next question is what primary to do this with.
Requirements for the characters
Can only be a scrapper or brute
Can not be a powerset that has a fugly primary or secondary- meaning no spines, stone armor, or ice armor.
Survivability is a must, what good is being a farmer if you die ever spawn.
Plan it around the alpha slot to maximize the slotting potential.
Long term goal to pick something that has good synergy with the other tier 4 incarnate abilities.
Can handle lvl 50 x8 missions without even breaking a sweat. Does not have to be +4s since I play at +0 difficulty most of the time speed things along.
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