What is [Bruising]?


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In doing research into Tankers I've come across this Bruising term. What is [Bruising]? Does it help Tankers solo?


 

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Bruising is attached to your tier one attack. If the attack hits, the enemy will be affected by a -20% resistance debuff. It does not stack with itself. It does not stack with other tankers. It will stack with any other source of -resistance. The -20% ignores the purple patch, but does not bypass enemy resistance.


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It also only lasts for 10 seconds. So make sure to keep it going.


 

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So only your first, starting attack (that you start at level 1 with) "Bruises?" What does it do for a tanker? What was it intended to do?


 

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It does nothing for the tanker other than allowing him to do a little more damage on the target. Only your Teir 1 secondary set power does it. It was added in Issue 18 I believe.


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Originally Posted by Antares_NA View Post
So only your first, starting attack (that you start at level 1 with) "Bruises?" What does it do for a tanker? What was it intended to do?
Well lets say your secondary is super strength. Ordinarily your haymaker does 200 points of damage. If you bruise them with jab, then hit them with haymaker, you'll see it does 240 points of damage instead.

It doesn't just apply to the Tanker's own attacks either, if I jab something, and then somebody else hits the guy I jabbed, their attack will do more damage too. Works on everything from minions all the way up to AV's. As long as it connects.


 

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Short answer: if you connect with your secondary's Tier 1, then for the next 10 seconds, you (and everyone else on who hits that target) will do 20% more damage to that target.

So, yes, it does help a tank solo. Not quite as good as vigilance for a solo'er, but still helpful.

So whatever you do, when you're picking your powers, make sure you do NOT skip your secondary's Tier 1!


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Originally Posted by BigBoss Eyepatch View Post
Well lets say your secondary is super strength. Ordinarily your haymaker does 200 points of damage. If you bruise them with jab, then hit them with haymaker, you'll see it does 240 points of damage instead.
One important difference between +dam and -res is that the extra damage you do from -res is a percent of your total dam, while +dam is a percentage of your base (usually).

So, in equal net amounts, -res is more helpful.
-20%res > +20%dam


 

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Originally Posted by GATE-keeper View Post
So, yes, it does help a tank solo. Not quite as good as vigilance for a solo'er, but still helpful.
Actually, it is better than vigilance. Vigilance (while solo) grants +30% bonus damage, which only increases base damage of attacks. Bruising is -20% resist, which adds 20% to your total damage. Thanks to enhancements, bruising essentially does more for you.

Expressed mathematically for an attack that does 100 base damage:

Total Vigilance damage = 100 + 100*.95 + 100*.30 = 225
Total Bruising damage = (100 + 100*.95) * 1.20 = 234


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Short answer: if you connect with your secondary's Tier 1, then for the next 10 seconds, you (and everyone else on who hits that target) will do 20% more damage to that target.

So, yes, it does help a tank solo. Not quite as good as vigilance for a solo'er, but still helpful.

So whatever you do, when you're picking your powers, make sure you do NOT skip your secondary's Tier 1!
Just want to remind you that a Tanker cant skip their Tier 1 from their secondary.


 

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Somebody Help! Dechs got caught in the rainbow machine again!
Dude,it's ok. I just colored those values to make it easier to follow the math and know where the numbers were from. No need to panic. The rainbow machine is completely under control.


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Dude,it's ok. I just colored those values to make it easier to follow the math and know where the numbers were from. No need to panic. The rainbow machine is completely under control.
For someone who is such a big fan of dark, he sure does love his colors.


 

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I'm liking this new side of Dechs! :P

So, Tankers get a tiny Fury Jr., sorta.


 

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Originally Posted by Antares_NA View Post
I'm liking this new side of Dechs! :P
So, Tankers get a tiny Fury Jr., sorta.
Other than functioning from totally different sets of mechanics, you're completely correct.


 

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I'm liking this new side of Dechs! :P

So, Tankers get a tiny Fury Jr., sorta.
Not really, no. Basically, if you never use your Tier 1 attack, you get nothing from it. If you use your tier one attack every ten seconds, at least, then you'll do 20% more damage to that target. But if you change targets, you need to apply the effect again.


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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn View Post
Not really, no. Basically, if you never use your Tier 1 attack, you get nothing from it. If you use your tier one attack every ten seconds, at least, then you'll do 20% more damage to that target. But if you change targets, you need to apply the effect again.
There are really even more things that separate it from fury than just the ones you mentioned.

But, other than all of the differences, mentioned and otherwise, it's exactly like fury.


 

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So whatever you do, when you're picking your powers, make sure you do NOT skip your secondary's Tier 1!
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Originally Posted by KingLeo07 View Post
Just want to remind you that a Tanker cant skip their Tier 1 from their secondary.
hmm....... Maybe that's why he put a smiley after his sentence.


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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
Actually, it is better than vigilance. Vigilance (while solo) grants +30% bonus damage, which only increases base damage of attacks. Bruising is -20% resist, which adds 20% to your total damage. Thanks to enhancements, bruising essentially does more for you.

Expressed mathematically for an attack that does 100 base damage:

Total Vigilance damage = 100 + 100*.95 + 100*.30 = 225
Total Bruising damage = (100 + 100*.95) * 1.20 = 234
That doesn't factor in ease of use, though. For some sets the T1 attack wouldn't be worth using without Bruising, and it has to be applied to every target individually. A Defender can just open up with an AoE and have the bonus damage apply to every enemy it hits.


 

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Originally Posted by KingLeo07 View Post
Just want to remind you that a Tanker cant skip their Tier 1 from their secondary.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
hmm....... Maybe that's why he put a smiley after his sentence.
That'd be it. Thanks IB!


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It was also mentioned when Bruising was added that it helps make the non-optional first tier attacks, many of which do minor damage, more attractive.


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I only leave my tier 1 on my tanks with one slot for an accuracy common IO. I tried 6 slotting jab, and found even 6 slotted it was most underwhelming. Had a full set of Mako's Bite in it too.


 

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If I'm looking for a specific set bonus, I'll add as many as are needed to get that bonus. I try not to go more then 4 slots usually.


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Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
hmm....... Maybe that's why he put a smiley after his sentence.
and stating the obvious could never be sarcasm...


 

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Originally Posted by BigBoss Eyepatch View Post
I only leave my tier 1 on my tanks with one slot for an accuracy common IO. I tried 6 slotting jab, and found even 6 slotted it was most underwhelming. Had a full set of Mako's Bite in it too.
Well, Jab is very different from some of the other Tier 1s. Faster recharge, but lower damage. Other sets have decent Tier 1s, or at least need them for complete attack chains.


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