How about a Villain/GM like this?
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Posted on: 2011-06-19 04:56 in Suggestions and Ideas
The standard answer is we just can't as sadly the only skeleton avail. ingame is bipedal.
From what I recall, it would be such a huge undertaking to create and animate a 4 legged skeleton that they just won't bother unless the payoff is equally as large.
While I still hold out hope we'll eventually get a 4 legged model in game I seriously doubt if they ever cracked that nut the only thing they'd use it for would be a single GM. I'd expect them to populate an entire zone with them.
(Hint hint give me Dinosaurs to fight pretty please...)
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Strictly speaking, that's not true - spiders and jaegers don't use bipedal skeletons, nor does Lusca. On the other hand, they also have a very limited palette of animations, so your point is still valid.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
The standard answer is we just can't as sadly the only skeleton avail. ingame is bipedal.
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They do have Hamidon ... seems like they could tweak that a bit to make something similar, although I'd prefer something that actually moves.
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Originally Posted by Quinch
Strictly speaking, that's not true - spiders and jaegers don't use bipedal skeletons, nor does Lusca. On the other hand, they also have a very limited palette of animations, so your point is still valid.
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actually they do, and it is true.|
Originally Posted by Quinch
Strictly speaking, that's not true - spiders and jaegers don't use bipedal skeletons, nor does Lusca. On the other hand, they also have a very limited palette of animations, so your point is still valid.
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The easiest way to demonstrate the underlying skeleton is with something like say, the Veteran Combat Pets: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Veteran_...mbat-Buff_Pets
Get a cold dom and have them shield the Whisp or the Drone. You'll note that although these pets are presented to the player as a round floating object... the underlying skeleton is... a bipedal cross.
What's probably going on with the micro-spiders and Jaegers is a "cheat' in the system. The underlying skeleton is a bipedal skeleton object that is given 100% translucency so that you can't see it, and outside of buff-object mappings such as Cold Domination Shields, there's no player exposed method to view the skeleton frame.
Another method of exposing the skeleton is get a knockback heavy team-mate. You can create some... interesting physical interactions... where the Arachnos Tarantulas will collide and clip with objects on the basis of their skeletal frame.
As far as giant monsters such as Lusca, I don't think the devs have ever said whether or not Lusca is based on a Skeleton or an "Object". My suspicion would be a bipedal frame with maximum immobilize, maximum knock-effect protection, and maximum knock-effect resistance. Regardless Lusca is still cheat on the system. Try targeting him sometime with a power that zeros in on the targeting location, such as Surveillance: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Munition...y#Surveillance
You might notice that the actual targeting point for Lusca is inside the tentacles, indicating that there is a frame-underneath that the tentacles and head are overlapped upon.
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Hamidon is also a cheat in the system.|
Originally Posted by Hercules
They do have Hamidon ... seems like they could tweak that a bit to make something similar, although I'd prefer something that actually moves.
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His mito's, for example, do have maximum protection and resistance to knock-effects. Reportedly their "flying" effect is gained by being immobilized on a tiny translucent platform. Pets, such as Phantom Army, can be observed using these platforms to jump from... or land upon.
Regardless, they are still bipedal frames underneath used to mount the object in viewable space.
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Actually, we do have something close in Demon Summoning's Ember demon/Hellfire Gargoyles, though that may be a cheat of a different sort like with beast run.|
Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
The standard answer is we just can't as sadly the only skeleton avail. ingame is bipedal.
From what I recall, it would be such a huge undertaking to create and animate a 4 legged skeleton that they just won't bother unless the payoff is equally as large. While I still hold out hope we'll eventually get a 4 legged model in game I seriously doubt if they ever cracked that nut the only thing they'd use it for would be a single GM. I'd expect them to populate an entire zone with them. (Hint hint give me Dinosaurs to fight pretty please...) |
Personally though, if they did proliferate that sort of tech/animation across NPCs, I can think of a few good ones that could use it:
- Council/Column/Halloween Werewolves
- Devouring Earth Devoured
- Tuathua Dannan (Possibly)
- Something in the Soldier of Rularuu
- Rikti Monkeys (so they can do more than just hop)
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Well, we know the Praetorian Hamidon is a massive tentacled, fanged beast from the descriptions of Cole's fight with it (on the Going Rogue website) and the random giant tentacles that can sometimes be seen smacking into the sonic shielding surrounding the city in game. Maybe we ARE getting an enemy monster like that? 
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Wait... what? Where can you see this?
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
and the random giant tentacles that can sometimes be seen smacking into the sonic shielding surrounding the city in game.
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It's very rare. I mean unpredictable rare. I flew/swimmed past various barriers for hours one night hoping for a glance. I still make a point of running close to them just in case.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Hamidon is also a cheat in the system.
His mito's, for example, do have maximum protection and resistance to knock-effects. Reportedly their "flying" effect is gained by being immobilized on a tiny translucent platform. Pets, such as Phantom Army, can be observed using these platforms to jump from... or land upon. Regardless, they are still bipedal frames underneath used to mount the object in viewable space. |
The interesting test would be if the platforms are there before Hami spawns
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As is, everything is a bipedal humanoid. Seems like they could take the tech they use to animate the hydra tentacles and do something similar. At least, I hope they would do something like this for the end encounter of "the coming storm".
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