I completely disagree that ice melee would be low damage for scrappers. Pretty much all of its attacks have nice quick animations, the more you attack the more you will crit. I would reroll my fire/shield/blaze to ice/ if given the option.
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It's not really that bad at all. Compare to /elec (tanker #s, /elec chosen at random):|
Originally Posted by BrandX
It'll be cool to have, and Frozen Aura would just be awesome, but it's damage is like one of the lowest for Tankers if I recall correctly, and I I can't imagine it being high up there on the Scrapper lists...thusly people will moan about it being low damage.
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...............dmg..end...rch..act....misc
charged brawl..37...4.4...3s...0.83
havoc punch....59...6.8...6s...1.5
jacobs ladder..67...8.5...8s...1.67...7/50degrees
thunder str....87...10.2..18s..3.3s...7 radius
chain induct...59...10.2..14s..1s.....aoe
lightning rod..141..13.5..90s..2.57s..20 radius
frozen fists...37...4.4...3s...1.33
ice sword......58...6.8...6s...1.33
frost..........72...11....11s..2.27...10/90degrees
freezing touch.74...10.2..16s..1s
greater ice sw.87...10.2..10s..2.33
frozen aura....63...18.5..20s..2.1s...10 rad
Your 3 starter/bread and butter powers look really comparable to me. Then you get your utility mix that differentiates the set. Is ice patch + frozen aura is just as cool as lightning rod, just on a different angle.
Ideally we'd get Ice Slash (dominator l35) instead of GIS, or GIS would get sped up, but even if it didn't the set doesn't look terrible.
P.S.: Please devs make FA 15 radius like Foot Stomp. <.<
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Hmmm...could be right, maybe I'm just so used to it on Tankers where it's DPS just felt terrible (though I admit I havent touched my Ice/Ice Tanker since Bruising was added).|
Originally Posted by Lobster
It's not really that bad at all. Compare to /elec (tanker #s, /elec chosen at random):
...............dmg..end...rch..act....misc charged brawl..37...4.4...3s...0.83 havoc punch....59...6.8...6s...1.5 jacobs ladder..67...8.5...8s...1.67...7/50degrees thunder str....87...10.2..18s..3.3s...7 radius chain induct...59...10.2..14s..1s.....aoe lightning rod..141..13.5..90s..2.57s..20 radius frozen fists...37...4.4...3s...1.33 ice sword......58...6.8...6s...1.33 frost..........72...11....11s..2.27...10/90degrees freezing touch.74...10.2..16s..1s greater ice sw.87...10.2..10s..2.33 frozen aura....63...18.5..20s..2.1s...10 rad Your 3 starter/bread and butter powers look really comparable to me. Then you get your utility mix that differentiates the set. Is ice patch + frozen aura is just as cool as lightning rod, just on a different angle. Ideally we'd get Ice Slash (dominator l35) instead of GIS, or GIS would get sped up, but even if it didn't the set doesn't look terrible. P.S.: Please devs make FA 15 radius like Foot Stomp. <.< |
On scrappers it does look to do better ST DPS than ELM, and with Frozen Aura up more often than LR, the AOE damage looks to be better at a quick glance.
Guess it's just a wait and see, play it out see if I like it better on a Scrapper than I did my Tanker (I fully admit to loving using Frozen Aura...but I did before the DMG was added, because I just love the animation).
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Actually its Foot Stomp that is out of bounds, it should have a 10ft radius.
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Originally Posted by Lobster
P.S.: Please devs make FA 15 radius like Foot Stomp. <.<
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I would love Ice Melee! I just don't like picking /Ice on Tankers because their damage is so low on top of Ice not being a huge damage dealer to start with. I think it'd be a lot better on Scrappers (or even Brutes/Stalkers).
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Actually its Foot Stomp that is out of bounds, it should have a 10ft radius.
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.It's still the same target cap, IIRC, so no harm, no foul.
Edit: Also, the dominator PBAOEs are 15' now, so I don't see it as that big of a deal.
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I know it'll be much much later. Player requests that suddenly get brought to their attention usually go down that path.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
<_< Much much later as we all know they're already working on i21 and they just now wrote it down >_>
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... even though I've been asking for Ice Armor for Scrappers for a while now.
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I think I would play Ice Melee with Shield Defense. It'd be nice if Frozen Aura is set to 15' radius!
Ice Armor, I'm thinking could really help mitigate Endurance issues with Primaries, such as Quills from the Spines set, and has a lot of synergy with said set too! The kind of debuffing you'd be putting out would be debilitating and a brand new way of "damage mitigation" for Scrappers. It would be a pure joy for me. Especially since Icicles, the Damage Aura has the exact stats as Death Shroud. Two Damage Auras with a Defense set? YES PLEASE!
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The solution is obvious, since hibernate is already in the patron pools for scrappers, put superior conditioning into the Ice set in its place.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Nope. They replaced Caltrops with Physical Perfection, for Stalkers.
Stalkers also get Superior Conditioning instead of Conserve Power for Body Mastery, and I'd love to have that option on my Scrappers over Conserve Power. |
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The solution is obvious, since hibernate is already in the patron pools for scrappers, put superior conditioning into the Ice set in its place.
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Ice Melee would port fine, I think, but Ice Armor would drop from Tanker levels of protection to Scrapper/Brute levels (75%), putting Frozen Armor and Glacial Armor at 12.75% defense base and ~20% slotted. Energy Absorption drops from 0.6% per target to 0.45% per target, base. Given a load of influence and the right power choices, you could still softcap S/L/E/N, but the set would be painful to play before IOs. Hoarfrost and Chilling Embrace might be enough to put it on similar footing with Energy Aura for survivability.
I'd definitely be IO'ing out my Spines/Ice and then proceeding to get the Incarnate T4's. 
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Bass I would totally roll some sort of ice scrapper with you if we ever get the chance!
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I'd definitely be IO'ing out my Spines/Ice and then proceeding to get the Incarnate T4's.
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That new Ice Path Aura would be awesome with an Ice Scrapper.
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The Snow and Cryogenic ones also work well, I'd say. =)
If they gave an ICE EPIC along with Ice Armor/Ice Melee...Id be okay with this suggestion, I just dont see it happening, so Ninjitsu is still my vote.
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I want to see more epic pools myself...
Such as an electric for Scrappers/Tanks so I don't need to go red side for Mu to make an all electric theme...
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If they gave an ICE EPIC along with Ice Armor/Ice Melee...Id be okay with this suggestion, I just dont see it happening, so Ninjitsu is still my vote.
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Joking aside, Ice Armor is more likely because only 1 power would need replacing: Hibernate. Ninjitsu would need Hide and Caltrops replaced. But that's not to say I'm not clamoring for Ninjitsu to be proliferated over either.
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I want to see more epic pools myself...
Such as an electric for Scrappers/Tanks so I don't need to go red side for Mu to make an all electric theme... |
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Hide is a simple Stealth Power, no different than Dark Armor's Cloak of darkness. So saying it needs replaced is silly |
Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
You keep on trying to derail my efforts. Cut it out!
Joking aside, Ice Armor is more likely because only 1 power would need replacing: Hibernate. Ninjitsu would need Hide and Caltrops replaced. But that's not to say I'm not clamoring for Ninjitsu to be proliferated over either. |
And I've suggested what to replace Caltrops with before.
Body Hardening aka an exact clone of Resist Physical Damage
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I want this as bad as you do BrandX, but I think both are only a matter of time.
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