Feature Request - Improve interaction of Group Fly wrt other fly powers

Problem: Some of your team aren't able to fly, and there is a tactical benefit to provide them with flight (i.e., Group Fly). However, for others that have Fly, they'll often have it slotted they way they prefer it and dislike being defaulted to whatever the group fly is slotted for. Likewise, tanker effectiveness can often require them to be grounded, so not good to have group fly forced on them.

Solution: Provide an opt-in dialog (similar to when being teleported) that allows person to accept the Group Fly. The dialog also needs a checkbox to save your choice as default.

-Johnny

I'm pretty sure Group Fly just stacks with other Flight powers. What are you seeing that leads you to believe otherwise?

Preparing for the Shadow Shard, Johnny?

It's more than just "tanker effectiveness."

- Assassin's Strike will be interrupted when someone with Group Fly pops into range.
- Stalagmites and other powers won't fire off.
- Grounded (status/kb protection) is ineffective if too high off the ground.

Just for a few times off the top of my head where I've been bitten by someone using it *poorly.* It just does not play nice with several powers/powersets.

Group fly in general needs a buff - bump up its fly speed and have it apply to everyone affected by it equally, and yes - have it able to be refused.

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Now that I have a Lore pet, I realize another problem. It's going to be the case that I want to use Group Fly to help my pets keep up with me. However, using Group Fly is simply going to annoy teammates.

-Johnny

I use group fly only to move my team(mercs) and not my teammates. I probably will remove it during my next respec. It causes more problems than it fixes. Most are never ready to use fly when I use it and by telling them puts me behind. Right now I can use it only for specific situations and in general my teammates hate it. Reading Bill's comments, I will work harder to not use it at all now.

For example, with mercs they appear next to me no matter what at 179 feet or greater. Why do I need group fly? I have used it only when I had to move vertically up quickly during attacks or in the Shadow Shards.

Honestly, there's one "simple (standard code rant applies)" change that could be made to Group Fly and fix most, if not all, of the complaints about it.

Change it to a single target "Grant Flight" power just like "Grant Invisibility" is.

Then you've still got the problems of it being a continuous AoE around you.

You flying faster than everyone else [note: with the recent changes to base flight speed, I don't know if this still applies anymore], and watching teammates and pets suddenly fall from the sky.

There's the clunky MM pet workaround (following your pets and doing "goto" commands), but it's a cludge at best.

Meh. Maybe there's just no real "good" solution to Group Fly.

"An interesting game, the only winning move is not to play."

Group fly sooo needs these changes. The devs have tpo be aware it is now officially the least used power in the game.

Mainly because its annoying. I have it for concept reasons as last power on my stporm defender. But never use it. The fly speed should match the caster.. and a prompt should go off like recall friend. That is the only way to make this power useful again.

Does the -50% Acc still apply to Group Fly?

My Bots MM has it for concept and convenience, but daaaaang the bots can't keep up. So I pause every 50 yds or so to let them catch up.

It'd be nice to see it fixed.

For MMs it'd be nice to give the pets a lesser version of the same travel the MM has, just for theme's sake. I mean the henchies already get SJ of sorts (though they never use it for non-vertical travel), why not just expand on that?

Personally, I feel that Group Fly shouldn't be a buff at all, but rather grant people a temporary power with a short duration, say 60 seconds to 2 minutes. As long as you stay inside the range of Group Fly, your temporary power keeps getting renewed to its full capacity. As soon as you leave, it starts timing out whether you're using it or not.

This allows people to choose whether to fly or not but still makes them dependent on the host of the Group Fly power. Yes, it does add an extra level of complexity and may be problematic when dealing with NPCs, but at the very least it stops people from wanting to kill the Group Fly host.

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