SS/FA vs Storm defender for farming


Dechs Kaison

 

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Discuss.


 

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lol?


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@Caucasiafro

 

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Check out last patch.


 

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Im confused, dont see any nerf for ss/fire or some epic buff for storm


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@Caucasiafro

 

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I think he's talking about how pets now apply interface procs. So all of your rain powers should be awesome now?

This might be awesome for my Fire/Cold corr....

Edit: I don't think its going to out pace a ss/fire.


 

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DoT still only stacks up to 6 i believe. And SS/fire has burn anyway :P


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-Al Gore
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@Caucasiafro

 

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Winner!

I suppose that particular change affects Burn too, although it only hits 5 targets. SS/Fire might remain on top. Just wanted a cool headline.


 

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Storm/Ice with Freezing Rain / Ice Storm >> SS/FA

My Fire/Cold corr is tearing up mobs faster than statesman on FS.

EDIT: For some reason Sleet is doing higher DoT than Rain of Fire. I thought it was the -resist that's raising the DoT. But even if I use RoF right after sleet, it still does less DoT than Sleet. A little intriguing.
P.S: Yes. -resist does seem to raise the DoT. With Heatloss I'm getting about 25 ticks of damage with SLeet rather than 17. And 20 with RoF rather than 13.
I wonder how the Musculature Alpha affects that. I don't have a toon with both a rain power and musculature to test ATM.


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Main Hero: Inferno Sparky - Fire/Fire Blaster
Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor

 

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Definately going to go play with this when I get off work!

It also gives me a reason to dust off my Ice/storm Corr who has been sitting in the late 30's for a while now. Ice storm, Freezing Rain, and blizzard.


 

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Basically what this patch has done is turned every Rain type power into a fully Fulcrum Shifted Blizzard.


@Sparky Jenkins || Freedom Server | Union Server
Main Hero: Inferno Sparky - Fire/Fire Blaster
Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor

 

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Interface procs seem to be bugged for pseudopets. I watched my combat log carefully as Burn ticked away on a Pylon. I did not see more than a few ticks of the Reactive proc. It should have been going off for almost every tick of the burn patch.


 

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it works just fine for rain powers and regular pets. I just don't know about how would Burn work out with it's somewhat unique "target checking" attributes.


@Sparky Jenkins || Freedom Server | Union Server
Main Hero: Inferno Sparky - Fire/Fire Blaster
Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor

 

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Finally. After seven years, a bug that affects my favorite toon in a positive manner. <wipes tear>


 

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Well then, this is amazing. I’ll have to take a look on my dom, only toon with a rain power and reactive.

It is very likely they might put out more AoE dmg. But im not sure how practical it will be, considering a storm def might have some trouble surviving in the middle of a huge mob (best form of farming)


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-Al Gore
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@Caucasiafro

 

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Originally Posted by Wanted_NA View Post
it works just fine for rain powers and regular pets. I just don't know about how would Burn work out with it's somewhat unique "target checking" attributes.
I just tested Burn again. My last post was based on what I observed in the combat log before today's patch. Now, the Burn patch does properly trigger Reactive procs.

However, Fiery Embrace does not boost the damage done by the Burn patch. It only boosts the damage done in the initial hit. I can't say for sure if it worked that way before the patch.


 

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I cap ranged def with a S/L resistance shield and Tough on my squishies - on defenders/controllers that gives you 65-70% S/L res. By itself it's not enough to take on +4/x8 ambush with bosses, but popping green insps as needed I can handle it. I'm thinking with Destiny Rebirth +regen it should work just fine (don't have it yet on the character I was using, which for reference was a fire/cold controller).

Storm particulary, I just named that one for bait/fun. Storm is usually considered the bane of AoE minmaxers, what with LS, Tornado and Hurricane scattering those mobs we love to keep tightly bunched up together (unless one spends time herding stuff to corners, but... that's time spent) ; but with Freezing Rain and a blast set like Ice (as Wanted suggested) it should probably be competitive with the best farmers, the way things are right now. I think a fire/cold corruptor would be much more interesting to farm with.


 

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Interface procs seem to be bugged for pseudopets. I watched my combat log carefully as Burn ticked away on a Pylon. I did not see more than a few ticks of the Reactive proc. It should have been going off for almost every tick of the burn patch.
I'm testing this right now and in about 2min of using burn on a pylon i have done 8k dmg from reactive and about 1k from burn according the hero stats...

EDIT: i didnt use rage and had almost no fury though.


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-Al Gore
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@Caucasiafro

 

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Storm particulary, I just named that one for bait/fun. Storm is usually considered the bane of AoE minmaxers, what with LS, Tornado and Hurricane scattering those mobs we love to keep tightly bunched up together (unless one spends time herding stuff to corners, but... that's time spent) ; but with Freezing Rain and a blast set like Ice (as Wanted suggested) it should probably be competitive with the best farmers, the way things are right now. I think a fire/cold corruptor would be much more interesting to farm with.
Actually herding stuff to corners doesn't take much time at all, at least not on city outdoor maps. Plow through a couple spawns with Hurricane and your travel power of choice running, drop Freezing Rain at the nearest corner, and while they jog into the Patch of Certain Doom you can be taking out a third mob with regular AoEs or Judgement. Between the slow and knockdown of FR, nothing but bosses (which I assume you turn off for farming) are getting out before the broken Reactive Interface kills it - no need to stand there and watch it do its work.

I'm not a huge fan of farming, but if there's some sort of gold standard test for farm runs I'd be more than happy to test out my Storm/Energy (the anti-Brute ) on it with a timer running. I doubt I could set a record time, but I bet it'd be competitive. I would feel bad about exploiting the poorly implemented proc, but I reported it before it went live, so now I get to sit back and enjoy until they fix it.


 

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Brutes could earn 3 millions in raw influence from kills per minute before I20. It is in my opinion the best metric, as it evaluates defeat speed and doesn't tie you to a specific build, map, or earning goal. What mission you use, what settings you use should be entirely up to you ; find what works best for your character as to get the best numbers possible.


 

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Actually herding stuff to corners doesn't take much time at all, at least not on city outdoor maps. Plow through a couple spawns with Hurricane and your travel power of choice running, drop Freezing Rain at the nearest corner, and while they jog into the Patch of Certain Doom you can be taking out a third mob with regular AoEs or Judgement. Between the slow and knockdown of FR, nothing but bosses (which I assume you turn off for farming) are getting out before the broken Reactive Interface kills it - no need to stand there and watch it do its work.

I'm not a huge fan of farming, but if there's some sort of gold standard test for farm runs I'd be more than happy to test out my Storm/Energy (the anti-Brute ) on it with a timer running. I doubt I could set a record time, but I bet it'd be competitive. I would feel bad about exploiting the poorly implemented proc, but I reported it before it went live, so now I get to sit back and enjoy until they fix it.
A quick search for an Ambush farm will more than likely turn up the SS/FA farms of choice.

Going to be comparing apples to pineapples though as the point of these farms is that they are made to fit the strengths of your toon.

From having run them for fun on both a Elec/FM blaster and a Fire/Traps corr I know they can be done on squishie toons at up to +2x8 no bosses without much stress with some insiration keybinds. It is slower than the brutes by a good margin however.

The brute is able to ignore almost all the damage being thrown its way. Its only concern is hitting AOE's and popping more reds to max damage.

I won't argue that freeezing rain, sleet, rain of fire and anyothers that I missed are not awesome powers. I love them on my own toons. They have their drawbacks though.

Scatter being foremost of them. Even with reactive helping to melt mobs those at the edges get away and have to be dealth with later.

In an ambush farm this is doubly counter productive since your bound to be at the agro cap and nothing new is going to move in close to take the spots of the runners until something dies so that agro can shift.

I would love to see the times that coors and defs can put out though with the new incarnate tricks available to us. It would be truly awe inspiring if we saw jumps in ambush run times the likes of which we saw in pylon runs since i20


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I think a fire/cold corruptor would be much more interesting to farm with.
While I don't have a 50 stormy, I can tell you that my Fire/Cold corr with 33% Ranged has able to farm so much easily and effectively yesterday on the council map with that (I was doing +2/*8. It was just testing how fast she could run it. I'm pretty sure she could've done +4s easily if I tried). She's heavy on recharge so my Sleet/RoF come up every 15 seconds or so. That's up mob to mob bases. Just Blaze the surviving boss.
But yes. I haven't seen anything farm faster than that. I don't even need much defence. Between the KD from Sleet and the fear from Rain of Fire only one or two enemies at best would even look your way.


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Main Hero: Inferno Sparky - Fire/Fire Blaster
Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor

 

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Okay, I clearly know absolutely nothing about farming or farms. I think I've heard the term 'ambush farm' before, but I've never seen such a beast. The best I could do after some slight tweaking of my difficulty settings was a bit under 1 million inf/min, but clearly this wasn't farming, it was running a bog-standard CoH mission quickly. I would be interested to see what someone who had a clue could do though.


 

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I think a fire/cold corruptor would be much more interesting to farm with.
I have one at 50 with a bit of Incarnate in it. I think I would get obliterated in a standard fire ambush farm though?

Currently soft cap S/L defense, Corruptor HP cap, enough +recharge to get close to perma Hasten.

Thoughts on how to build to farm?


 

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Ranged softcap, 65% S/L res (epic shield + Tough) and green insps were enough for me to farm +4/x8 S/L ambush farms, with bosses on, on my fire/cold controller. She has about 1200hp IIRC.

On a corruptor, I'd go with the same plan - except I'd probably use a temp jetpack to fly slightly over their head (the controller can AoE immobilize stuff forcing them to be at range, I assume more mobs would get to melee and be a threat on a corruptor). Another option would be to go Leviathan for the AoE immobilize, I suppose - it animates slowly, but the lion's share of the damage is done by the reactive procs from your rains and you're bound to have downtime with the only two fast recharging AoEs you have being fire ball and fire breath. The corruptor only gets to about 50% S/L res, so it might be needed to either use both green and orange insps, or get the Rebirth +regen destiny and some orange insps.

The above paragraph being, of course, complete theorycraft. I don't have a fire/cold corruptor.

... Yet.