fire/fire/fire build advice

I'm getting an error when using the Mid's link. Could you post the data chunk as well?

Wow.

Ok, First, great name

Second, it looks like you're trying reaaaallly hard to get damage bonuses from IO sets.

Now, you can play anything you like, and I'm sure that toon plays just fine, but.... It's a very low-payoff trade to slot IO sets for damage. Especially on a fire/fire tank, you want defense, then recharge.

It's MUCH easier to get defense than it is to get +damage. For example, the 23 percent melee defense on this toon cuts the amount of damage you take in the scrum by about half. The +20 damage bonus you have slotted will raise your outbound damage by about a tenth, and quite a bit less if you use fiery embrace/buildup constantly. If you traded in those damage bonuses for +defense, you could cut the damage you still take in melee to a fourth of what you suffer now, easily.

Alternatively, more recharge would get your heals up faster, your consume up faster, your fiery embrace(OMG!) up faster, and let you use your best attacks much faster. Recharge is teh gud.

I've been meaning to tinker this titan thingy so I could pull some live builds, let me see if I can get the build off my fire tank and pop it in here, so you can see what I mean.

Well, that was surprisingly easy! I had to dump it into a local Mids and add in my accolades and Incarnates, but the build came through just fine. Oh, I left off my barrier, it makes the numbers look CRAZY in Mids if you put that in.

But anyway, here's the live build of my fire tanker. It's a bit of a mess right now, I hate respecs so this is how I leveled it up, but it has all the essential bits in place and is plenty tough for my purposes And yes, I totally put the Glad proc in the wrong power, it's the one thing that'll get me off my lazy tail to respec....someday.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.94
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Feuer Sturm: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(5), EndRdx-I(5)
Level 1: Scorch -- KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: Blazing Aura -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(11), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(11), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(13), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 4: Combustion -- M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(A), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(15), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(17), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(19), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(21), Ksmt-ToHit+(21)
Level 8: Fire Sword -- Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 10: Healing Flames -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Numna-Heal(29), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(29), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam(31)
Level 12: Plasma Shield -- EndRdx-I(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(31), S'fstPrt-ResKB(33), ResDam-I(33)
Level 14: Consume -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Burn -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(34), Oblit-Dmg(34), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(36)
Level 20: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(37)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(37), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(37), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle -- Oblit-Acc/Rchg(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Dmg(40), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 32: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 35: Taunt -- Mocking-Rchg(A), Mocking-Taunt(43), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(43), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(43), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(45)
Level 38: Greater Fire Sword -- Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(45), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(46), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(48), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(48)
Level 47: Temperature Protection -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
Level 49: Build Up -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(50)
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
Level 50: Void Radial Final Judgement
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Seers Total Radial Improved Ally
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(48)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(50), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(50)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 4: Ninja Run

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It looks a little bit like you're sacrificing a bit in individual powers in order to get the added +defense. Is it worth it to lose 10% - 15% or so utility in some powers to get the added defense? Especially noticed that in [Healing Flames], don't normally see a resistance set get put in there. Also, what kind of costs does it take to reach that sort of level? So far, I haven't spent more than 10 mil on any one item, and have mostly spent 1-3 mil depending on what the rare salvage is going for. I did just get lucky enough to get a Hecatomb drop today which will hopefully net me over 350 mil which will help some.

Thanks for the heads up, having an older version of Mid's was indeed the problem.

I'd recommend a number of changes to this build.

First of all, six-slotting Plasma Shield and Fire Shield is not a good use of slots, IMO, especially since it leaves Weave and other powers very underslotted.

I agree with Mauk that trying to slot for damage bonuses isn't a good idea, and I also think the same of slotting for Psi defense/resistance, especially since Psi is so uncommon. Slotting for defense in general, and melee/SL in particular is a much better strategy.

I think you'd also have an issue with endurance on this build, since Blazing Aura, Combustion, Burn and Weave are all underslotted for end reduction.

You should also consider dropping Temp Prot for CJ; you've got plenty of places to put a KB IO and getting CJ would give you a bit more defense.

Here's the sort of thing you could do for Melee defense; I added a couple of LotG +recharges too for some additional recharge.

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Burnt Matchstick: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blazing Aura -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg:50(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(11), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg:50(11), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(17), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(33), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36)
Level 1: Scorch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(5), T'Death-Dam%:40(7)
Level 2: Fire Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(7), Aegis-ResDam:50(9)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx:50(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(13), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(13), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(15), Dct'dW-Heal:50(15)
Level 6: Fire Sword -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(17), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(19), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(19), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21), Mako-Dam%:50(21)
Level 8: Combustion -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-%Dam:50(9), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(37)
Level 10: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(34), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(34), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg:50(34), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(36)
Level 12: Plasma Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), Aegis-ResDam:50(23), S'fstPrt-ResKB:30(25), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(29)
Level 14: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(27), Aegis-ResDam:50(48)
Level 18: Burn -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(29), Oblit-%Dam:50(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(45), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(46), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(46)
Level 20: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(40)
Level 24: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(31)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(31), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg:50(31), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(33)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A)
Level 32: Rise of the Phoenix -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 35: Incinerate -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(42), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(42), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(43), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(43), T'Death-Dam%:40(46)
Level 38: Greater Fire Sword -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(39), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(39), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(39), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(40), T'Death-Dam%:40(40)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold:30(A), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(42)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:50(45)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(48)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(50), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(50), LkGmblr-Def:50(50)
Level 50: Cardiac Partial Core Revamp
Level 50: Pyronic Partial Core Judgement
Level 50: Reactive Partial Radial Conversion
Level 50: Warworks Partial Core Improved Ally
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(25), EndMod-I:50(27)
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 19% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 19% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 19% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 19% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 19% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 19% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 19% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 19% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 13.31% Defense(Smashing)
• 13.31% Defense(Lethal)
• 14.88% Defense(Fire)
• 14.88% Defense(Cold)
• 10.5% Defense(Energy)
• 10.5% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 23.63% Defense(Melee)
• 10.5% Defense(Ranged)
• 12.69% Defense(AoE)
• 22.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 4% Enhancement(Heal)
• 36% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 175.69 HP (9.375%) HitPoints
• Knockback (Mag -8)
• Knockup (Mag -8)
• MezResist(Held) 11.55%
• MezResist(Immobilize) 11.55%
• MezResist(Sleep) 1.65%
• MezResist(Stun) 6.05%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
• 7.5% (0.125 End/sec) Recovery
• 30% (2.347 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 3.78% Resistance(Fire)
• 3.78% Resistance(Cold)
• 3.125% Resistance(Negative)
• 15% RunSpeed

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FYI, I think going for typed defense, specifically S/L/E/NE is a better choice than Melee for a Fire tank. Here's the sort of thing I'd do with your power picks:

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Level 50 Science Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(3), RctvArm-ResDam:40(5), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(34), S'fstPrt-ResKB:30(45)
Level 1: Scorch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(17)
Level 2: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx:50(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(5), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(7), Dct'dW-Heal:50(7), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(9)
Level 4: Fire Sword -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(17), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(19), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21)
Level 6: Combustion -- Erad-Dmg:30(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(21), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(27), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(29)
Level 8: Consume -- Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(31), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(31), EndMod-I:50(31)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(11)
Level 12: Plasma Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(13), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(13), RctvArm-ResDam:40(15)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Winter-ResSlow:50(A)
Level 16: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(46), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(46), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(46)
Level 18: Burn -- Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(33), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(45)
Level 20: Build Up -- Rec'dRet-ToHit:20(A), Rec'dRet-Pcptn:20(33), RechRdx-I:50(33)
Level 22: Blazing Aura -- Erad-Dmg:30(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(23), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(23), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(25), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(25)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(48)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle -- Erad-Dmg:30(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(34), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(36), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(36)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 32: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(37), RctvArm-ResDam:40(37)
Level 35: Incinerate -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(37), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(39), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(39), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(39)
Level 38: Greater Fire Sword -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(40), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(40), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(40), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(42)
Level 41: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:40(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:40(42), LkGmblr-Def:40(42), LkGmblr-Rchg+:40(43)
Level 44: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold:30(A), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(50)
Level 47: Fire Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:50(48)
Level 49: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(50), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(45)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(43), EndMod-I:50(43)
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 26.13% Defense(Smashing)
• 26.13% Defense(Lethal)
• 3% Defense(Fire)
• 3% Defense(Cold)
• 27.38% Defense(Energy)
• 27.38% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 14.56% Defense(Melee)
• 15.19% Defense(Ranged)
• 3% Defense(AoE)
• 9% Max End
• 4% Enhancement(Heal)
• 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 20% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 5% FlySpeed
• 133.53 HP (7.125%) HitPoints
• 5% JumpHeight
• 5% JumpSpeed
• Knockback (Mag -4)
• Knockup (Mag -4)
• MezResist(Held) 2.75%
• MezResist(Immobilize) 14.3%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
• 20% Perception
• 6% (0.1 End/sec) Recovery
• 52% (4.068 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
• 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
• 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
• 2.835% Resistance(Fire)
• 2.835% Resistance(Cold)
• 5% RunSpeed

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