Feature Request - Restore prestige when rejoin SG
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-04-15 16:33 in Suggestions and Ideas
/Unsigned. Prestige earned means nothing really. No offense, but any person with half a brain can sit down and earn mountains of it. I am in no way trying to be snarky or rude, as I can see it means something to you. The answer you were given by support is quite understandable. Your "nerdrage" over this is not.
My question is - "So what?"
Just because your prestige was "cleared" doesn't mean it's gone. The prestige is for the SG, not the individual character. And "earned" prestige doesn't really mean much either - who's done more for the SG, the person who forgot to turn on SG mode (or turned it off @26 when there started to be a bite) and shows, say, 50,000 Prestige, but organizes events, raids, teaches newbies, donates salvage, builds IOs and puts them in the bin, etc, or the guy who PL'd to 50, sits at the door and knows jack but shows 1,000,000 prestige?
And what about someone like, oh, me, who may have multiple alts in an SG? Does your 500,000 Prestige mean you're worth more to the SG than my one character with 30,000.... or the other one, with 150,000... or the other one, with 200,000... .or the lowbie with 197?
It's like the "top 100" list at the registrar. It means absolutely nothing about how good or worthwhile an SG is.
Take whatever pride you have in what you've done for the SG from the recognition of your peers, not from a pointless number in a screen.
Bill, to answer your question, the reason is that there is more than just one way to play the game.
Choice of Play Style
True, I've encountered people that spend much of their time divided between multiple toons, sometimes to seemingly obsessive levels using 2-3 accounts. I can see how for such people that it is virtually impossible to play their toons frequently enough that one doesn't get dropped, so one develops indifference toward the prestige amount (i.e., a sense that it's hopeless to prevent the prestige from being cleared).
However, I speak for people that have a modest number of toons, where the fun comes from playing a character with solid continuity (an important concept for any comic book fan). Johnny Taxibot is my main toon, with a well-rounded build that allows me to exemplar down easily to enjoy low-level content, or to kick *** at any level of PvP, and more recently to extend the toon's abilities through the new Incarnate content.
I generally contend that people can have a narrow vision about how to play the game, which creates a bias that favors having multiple toons. I dislike this bias because it can lead one into grinding, rushing through content, and eventually burnout. In contrast, there is great fun getting a feel for the story using whatever powers you have available at the exemplared level, and this is completely aside from the challenge of adapting to the capabilities of your pickup team.
How Prestige is *Actually* Used
Occasionally, I would hear the lament that one had been dropped from their SG, though I didn't appreciate their feelings at the time. I figured that it was a simple matter to be re-invited. However, for people with a modest number of toons, the accumulated prestige is somewhat like badge hunting; in a way its face value is unquantifiable, yet there is amusement at seeing how "far" one had "progressed" on an individual level.
And as I've already said, I have been involved with doing SG recruitment, where having a high prestige amount (i.e., immediately visible in the SG list) is useful to help encourage people to play in SG mode. Having a high prestige amount is essentially confirmation that one can play the game (in SG mode) and have fun without needing to obsess over accumulation of influence. For a seasoned pro like yourself, I *know* you understand this principle. However, it can be a difficult concept to get across to someone that is green to the game.
So Let's Get This Fixed
So I'm surprised that this issue with the cleared prestige hasn't been fixed long ago. I suspect that it's a combination of player apathy (i.e., people disdain the SG after their prestige has been cleared), and support apathy (i.e., people working in support don't quite understand that there is more than one way to play the game).
My feature request seems sound, simple in concept, and I rather doubt that there's more to the current implementation than, "Aw, why do we need to bother fixing this." This is just sloppy, especially when it's been neglected for so many years, so let's get this fixed.
Regards,
Johnny
Many words with no answer.
No, a high prestige listing does not show that there's someone who knows how to "play the game." I can get a high prestige number by doorsitting and taking a shower, making a sandwich, etc. while someone else farms. (It's also part of my issue with the "Top 100 SG" listing, which only lists prestige - that's utterly useless as a measure of a "good" SG.)
Hell, I'm in SGs that have a fully built base, have millions of Prestige just sitting there, and basically say "Don't worry about SG mode, make money for yourself." You'll see some 50s there with a grand total of 0 prestige - not because they transferred SGs or servers (though some did,) but because they were never IN SG mode. And they're players that know the game exceptionally well.
Plus, of course, prestige can be purchased. There's no relation to how well anyone can play the game there.
It doesn't get fixed because it's not broken.
Also, what do you do about someone who has gone through other SGs? How far do you want to track prestige? For instance, BlasterGuy joins the Blaster Battallion. He earns 120,000 Prestige while there. He's interested in PVP, but the Blaster Batallion doesn't really offer much. So, while he still plays with them, he drops and joins the PVP Posse. They go through a boot camp, run events and the like. While he plays there, he earns 60,000 Prestige. His interest in PVP wanes and there are some personality conflicts, so he and some other buddies form their own SG (with the 20,000 "seed Prestige" for being one of the first 15 - which isn't "earned" by the character, it's solely a SG boost.) They mess around a while. Two years later, the leadership of the Blaster Batallion changes, the group picks back up, and he agrees to join.
Does he get "credit" for ALL that prestige? Does he get penalized for the 20,000 the last SG loses when he leaves? Does Paragon have a responsibility to track all of that and maintain those records - with the understanding that Prestige is a *supergroup* resource to track, it's not a *character* resource - regardless of how many times you see that change, and maintain for each SG?
Essentially, you're assigning more to a number than it can ever really represent.
- You suggest that a "high prestige number" is in any real way related to how well a character (or more specifically a player) knows the game. It does not.
- You suggest that the character somehow "owns" that prestige. They do not. They never have. The character may lose that listing. The prestige itself, belonging as it does to the supergroup, is not lost.
- Your request is too open ended and leaves issues open that you haven't addressed, which could lead to more problems in and of themselves due to database changes to add statistics to track and maintain.
To touch on another assumption of yours:
Quote:
If you're concentrating on a single character, especially with a focus on prestige generation, you're leading JUST as strongly into "grinding" and burnout. And there's nothing about having multiple characters that "encourages" any of that. If anything, I get to see how different characters and sets deal with different "problematic" enemies - for instance, Vanguard is tough on melee, but for my control characters they're a sleepwalk. The only "rush" is individual preference, and has nothing to do with having multiple characters.
| . I dislike this bias (toward encouraging alts) because it can lead one into grinding, rushing through content, and eventually burnout. |
Because Taxibots request does nothing to harm anyone else and would do nothing but increase the happiness of other individuals, I would tend to agree with him. Having a lot of prestige looks impressive to new players who desire to reach those amounts of prestige. It also can be very symbolic depending on how you play the game or how your SG is run.
Bill you're just being pretentious and it's not very classy. There's no reason to belittle an idea because you don't agree with it. If the idea was implemented it wouldn't hurt you at all. If an option popped up every time you re-joined an SG asking "Would you like to start from scratch or continue your previous prestige progress" there wouldn't be any complaints either way.
"PvP Messiah"
Quote:
So (a) challenging his assumptions and (b) pointing out that it's nto "nothing," that there are limitations and, yes, potential risks (see also "Hey, let's screw with the character database!") is "pretentious" and "wouldn't hurt you at all?" Have you looked at the definition for "pretentious?" |
Originally Posted by Cold_X
Because Taxibots request does nothing to harm anyone else and would do nothing but increase the happiness of other individuals, I would tend to agree with him. Having a lot of prestige looks impressive to new players who desire to reach those amounts of prestige. It also can be very symbolic depending on how you play the game or how your SG is run.
Bill you're just being pretentious and it's not very classy. There's no reason to belittle an idea because you don't agree with it. If the idea was implemented it wouldn't hurt you at all. If an option popped up every time you re-joined an SG asking "Would you like to start from scratch or continue your previous prestige progress" there wouldn't be any complaints either way. |
Quote:
| Adjective: Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed |
Pointing out the flaws is not "belittling" an idea. Pointing out how wrong his assumptions are is not "belittling." Nor is disagreeing.
And you say it's "impressive" to new players. I can turn that assumption around just as fast and say it's discouraging to them, when they reach level (say) 20 and only have a few tens of thousand prestige versus someone else's millions. Assumption of "impressiveness" works both ways there.
And, *again,* prestige does not belong to the individual character but to the SG. Plus, do you "count" the 20,000 Prestige bonus for joining - or deduct it for dropping - as one of the first 15? If you join as, say, #4, the SG gets 20,000 Prestige. You didn't earn that. If you leave when there are 30 characters, the SG loses nothing. If you bring it under 15, the SG loses it - and regains it as another takes your place. Do we track that?
How about Praetorians? They give 100,000 for joining. They haven't done anything to earn that for the SG. And yet at 20, *just for existing,* they give a bonus higher than some people who *have* played that entire time, or joined partway through.
How much do you want to "fudge the numbers" to "look impressive?"
You didn't answer the scenario of the multi-SG person either.
So, no, I don't believe this is worth the effort (or, for that matter, risk to character and/or SG databases) to implement on the strength of someone needing ego-stroking. I base character worth on how well they play, not if they got a lucky IO drop and converted 500 million INF to prestige.
I get what you're saying, to some people Prestige is like collecting Badges....its a personal achievement that in others eyes is just a novelty.
Don't I know you???
Quote:
The "words with no answer" jibe is a fairly cheap statement. I expected more from you, Bill, based on what I'd seen from your other postings. Did you even read my previous post?|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Many words with no answer.
<...snip...> It doesn't get fixed because it's not broken. Also, what do you do about someone who has gone through other SGs? How far do you want to track prestige? For instance, BlasterGuy joins the Blaster Battallion. He earns 120,000 ... <...snip...> Essentially, you're assigning more to a number than it can ever really represent. - You suggest that a "high prestige number" is in any real way related to how well a <...snip...> |
You've written quite a bit, though I'm trying to understand your perspective:
Quote:
|
For your SG, you have *lots* of old timers that have accumulated prestige, so the base has everything a newbie could want. Then you ask: Even if prestige were tracked, then how far back should this be done? |
Bill, you then listed several "suggestions" that I apparently made, and quite honestly you seem keen on putting words in my mouth, especially the business about having a focus on prestige generation.
I'll tell you what. I'll be in Pocket D on Infinity tonight for a PERC Player Auction. Look it up in the Infinity forums. Come join in and give me a better idea of where you're coming from. Otherwise, you seem to be somewhat unfocused in this thread, and might be reading more into this feature request than there is.
Cheers,
Johnny
Quote:
Aye, that's all. Essentially, we're talking about a quality of life thing, rather than deep math about who contributed what.|
Originally Posted by dougnukem
I get what you're saying, to some people Prestige is like collecting Badges....its a personal achievement that in others eyes is just a novelty.
|
Johnny
OK, let me boil down what I'm seeing versus what you're saying. Show me where I'm reading you wrong.
You're looking at Prestige as having some actual importance - you point to it as "Prestige generation doesn't hurt you."
I can, actually, counter that by just looking at INF generation post-26. Yes, it's been helped out recently ( you don't lose all generated INF by staying in SG mode.) There's a decided difference in just play-generated (IE, not marketeering) INF by the time you hit 50.
Now, if you want to point out that (for instance) "The SG helps out, between our auto-doc, teleporters to everywhere, and people who craft IOs and put the ones they don't need in a common area" (which several of mine do, by the way,) that's great... but it has nothing to do with the prestige that anybody has earned.
In fact, once an SG has a full base, teleporters, etc, prestige becomes a completely meaningless number. It's understandable to ask people to be in SG mode in a newly formed SG - you're trying to build up a base to be usable. But once that's done and the SG has Prestige built up (for instance, one of the VGs I'm in has somewhere around 19 million Prestige just sitting there - we could not run in SG mode for the next ten years and barely dent that, and we have decent storage,) what's the point of Prestige generation at all?
Look at your statement:
Quote:
I *know* the Taxibots have been around forever. They were established already when I joined back in I3. I can't imagine they're desperately in need of Prestige. | And as I've already said, I have been involved with doing SG recruitment, where having a high prestige amount (i.e., immediately visible in the SG list) is useful to help encourage people to play in SG mode |
So why should "play in SG mode" enter into it at all - or the Prestige number created by it?
Ego?
Quote:
| From my perspective, my prestige came from leading regular teams, either scheduled task forces, or recruited pickup teams. There was quite a bit of effort and organization involved, and having the prestige amount listed was a visual indication of the seriousness of my contributions. |
One solos. They do nothing but solo. They joined the SG because someone offered, and it stops most of the "u wanna join new sg" tells. They have 2,100,000 Prestige, use the teleporters, but never team.
One does just what you said - leads teams, organizes groups, walks lowbies around and recruits. But they're never in SG mode - when they joined, the SG had 10,000,000 Prestige banked and a fully functional base. So adding more prestige to that is, to them, rather pointless.
One just joined last month. They got up to level 27, decided to PVP, and got a PVP IO drop from a lucky kill (they hit someone that was already near death from NPCs) that netted them 3 billion "off market." They converted 2/3 of that to Prestige. They don't really have a handle on their character, they put out wrong information, they don't usually lead teams to anything but team wipes, etc - but at the 500:1 ratio of Prestige conversion, they've added 4,000,000 Prestige to the SG in one shot.
Whose contributions are really best for the SG? According to your metric, the third one. They have the most prestige showing, so they've "contributed the most," even if they haven't really done much to assist the SG, promote it or the like. I'd say the second one - with prestige of 0 - is.
Being blunt, though I don't mean this cruelly or as an attack, it looks like you want ego stroking via prestige number and I don't see that as a reason to add this to the game. Take more pride, instead, in your actual in-SG and in-game reputation. There's no number involved in it, but it's far, far more reliable.
Edit:
Counter-suggestion. Instead of messing with this, have SG-leader-createable (and player-hideable) titles, much like the yellow titles. I'd be more likely to respect someone who's been labeled "Top Task Force Leader" or "SG Mentor of the Year" over "Well, they have a number by their name with no actual indication of how they got it" (IE, prestige.) And it would be actual recognition of what you *really* do for the SG.
I have run a few SGs. I started a villain SG on Liberty, made it to the top 100 SGs on the server. Sigh. To think i did that the hard way. anyways, have run a few since then. I recently popped over to Virtue for a new concept toon I am running for all of 2011. I joined a "happening SG" and indded it was busy. However, teaming with SG mates was rare, and in truth I knew no one. So after earning them over 700,000 prestige I quit. And started my own SG. Wow, that closet is small when you first walk in. I knew that I did not want to recruit, and could really offer the Virtue community nothing by way of SG support, teams, scheduled activities, etc. So I spent a little over 2.5 billion buying prestige. I now have just shy of 5 million prestige. The base has teleporters to all zones (tons of badges in that too), some storage stuff, basics, you know. Best thing - I am the only one in my SG. Message of the day - Have fun today.
GL with whatever SG you are in, GL with your prestige worries, and GL with your hunting. But most of all - Have Fun Today!
Quote:
| Caveat: With respect to ego, my personal practices encourage me to recognize and avoid such associations, so let me make it clear that my feature request has more to do with improving the game play. It would be *nice* to have my accumulated prestige amount restored, for reasons that I have already expressed. |
Hi Bill,
Thanks for trying quite earnestly to add to the discussion. I admit, I was feeling somewhat skeptical, though you're raising some interesting points. You've written quite a bit, rather than meet me in Pocket D (you missed a fantastic event), so let me try to paraphrase in order to make certain that I'm understanding.
Summary of Bill's Points
a) Collecting prestige whilst still earning play-generated influence has been made easier for post level 26 toons.
b) Generally, prestige is good for developing a stocked base, though after a certain point it is a meaningless statistic.
c) Indeed, for an established supergroup, there no incentive for new toons to contribute prestige.
d) Examples of three possible situations are as follows:
Solo hero:
- They play merely to avoid SG invites, but they never team with the SG.
- Regardless, they contribute 2.1m prestige.
Active contributor:
- Participates with SG activities, leads teams, does recruitment.
- They never play in SG mode, though it doesn't matter because the SG already had 10m prestige when they joined.
New member:
- Doesn't contribute much to team.
- After a lucky invention piece drop, they sold it for 3b influence.
- Using the sale revenue, they do a straight 500:1 influence-to-prestige contribution to the SG.
- Unfortunately, the new member then realizes that the SG isn't that active, and so the contribution did nothing to improve the SG, nor is there anyone around to recognize the contribution.
So the question arises:
- Which of the three examples contributed most effectively to the SG?
- At this point, you CLAIM that I prefer the "New member," whereas you prefer the Active contributor.
- You further claim that my feature request has everything to do with ego stroking.
Responding to Bill's Points
- Let me be clear that from your examples that I prefer the Active contributor, and this is the sort of person that we encourage for our activities. At this point, I would ask that you cease trying to tell me what my opinion is.
- Looking at the examples, there is a quality that differentiates them, which is the level of SG involvement. For the solo and new members, the SGs don't sound like they have much active involvement, whereas the active contributor appears to be in an active SG.
- For the inactive SGs, they are effectively dead, as they don't really contribute much to the game. For that matter, having a "fully stocked" base is meaningless because travel between and with zones has been simplified to such an extent (i.e., look at how the train lines and black helicopters now provide travel between all the connected zones.
(( On a side note, think back to travelling in the original Hollows, or getting to the Tailor in Steel Canyon for a low-level toon. Such tasks are trivial nowadays, though it hadn't always been that way. ))
What Adds Value to an Active Supergroup?
- For the active SG, what your example fails to illustrate is *how* the SG remains active. True, it helps to have active players, though a successful SG is founded on the camaraderie between its members, which is helped along by the way that members can perceive that they are contributing.
- With respect to a fully-stocked base, one can mistakenly believe that there is nothing more to be done. However, you are overlooking customization. A few years back, we took a page from the League of Extraordinarily Indebted Heroes, who have a rule that anyone that earns 1m prestige gets their own room within the base? Why do this? Just for the sake of encouraging participation and having fun.
- With respect to your suggestion about SG-specific titles, the taxis already have something like this in the works, though it is more along the lines of our own in-house badges, since obviously the game itself doesn't support this. Your suggestion is valid though, and I would invite *you* to make your own feature request. However, such a title/badge system is *not* counter to the value of having one's accumulated prestige remain persistent after being re-invited to a SG.
- With respect to building an active SG, the inactive groups from your example were doing nothing to provide a structure for either activities or camaraderie (it was implied). In contrast, an active SG doesn't typically invite members willy-nilly, and some manner of consideration is taken before inviting and promoting members.
Satisfaction From Accumulating Prestige
- Regardless of how other SGs perform recruitment, the Taxibots perform an orientation that simply reviews the main points that are on our web site, such as having Recall Friend, not griefing even in jest, etc.
- With respect to SG mode, orientation makes it clear that this is entirely optional, though it is encouraged to contribute.
- Why do this? Essentially, having the ability to contribute prestige, even if for a fully loaded SG base, is a pleasing activity that effectively says, "Thank you for having me on the team, even though I can't contribute much more than what others have done before me."
- To help new taxis feel comfortable doing this, I would often cite that I've always played in SG mode without it impacting my ability to accumulate influence.
- However, for me to get dropped from the SG and have my accumulated prestige cleared destroys that sense of contribution.
- Of course, it would be nice to have the prestige amount restored, both for myself and OTHERS that it happens to.
- Further, I can foresee my being away from the game and getting dropped again. So I am now wary of contributing prestige, which is contrary to the principle of adding value to a SG, as described in the preceding paragraphs.
- So that is why I encourage a feature that remembers the amount of prestige accumulated with one's previous SG, so that being dropped doesn't clear the value.
In Conclusion
- Bill, it is fairly clear that you have a certain play style, and more power to you. I notice that your posts in these forums is currently at 25,242 posts, so you are apparently quite prolific and knowledgeable.
- However, if prestige has such little value, then likewise I suggest that you send a PM to a mod and have your post count cleared. After all, it is a meaningless value, and contributes even less to the game does prestige.
- If you can give up your post count without a twinge of regret, then that would be quite encouraging. Keep in mind that you can always refer back to this post to see what your post count used to be.
Cheers,
Johnny
It's simply a bad idea.
Keeping track of how much prestige each person in an SG has is a simple case of that person's SG entry having a field for it. Keeping track of the prestige total of every character that has ever been part of an SG in case they return would be an open ended list. If stored in the SG database it would have to be updated whenever a character was deleted or changed name or you could join an SG and get the balance of a previous character that had since been deleted or moved server. Store it on the character and you have to keep track of which server the SG was on or blank it during server transfers, at which point people will come back complaining about losing their numbers again.
Besides, the game doesn't automatically kick you from an SG for any reason. You left for long enough that your 'real prestige' dropped below the point that you were considered worth taking up a space on the SG list. That you have to build up your 'numeric prestige' again after that doesn't seem like a flaw in the game.
A suggestion.
- You really
- should
- try writing in
- solid paragraphs,
- using lists
- only where
- appropriate.
- Your love of
- using the list feature makes
- going through your posts
- rather annoying to read.
Going through what you did write, I can say that yes yes, all I can see as a reason for this is "Johnny_Taxybot's Ego" still, despite your disclaimer. You also made some assumptions in the examples I gave - such as the person who "donated" several million "realizing the SG isn't active." I never made such a statement. All three would be in the same SG. Mentioning "the" supergroup once should, I'd expect, have made that a clear baseline. I'm not sure where you got the idea "This is from an inactive SG," short of trying to set up some manner of strawman for yourself to knock down.
My "claim," as you put it, for your preferences goes solely by what you've been posting, in which you seem to link a player's "value" to a supergroup to that Prestige amount.
I'm also rather - I'm not sure if it's baffled or amused by your post count comment. I invite you to search my posting history and look at the number of times I've referred to my post count. (I believe you'll find me refer to it positively once, due to someone mentioning being nearly at some interesting number, and negatively a few times - where I'm specifically saying I don't care about it, because it is meaningless.) Another strawman you decided to set up, that has nothing to do with your suggestion. And yes, if it went away, I wouldn't care.
Last, you were kicked from your supergroup for inactivity. At that point, your contributing "life" ended. Much like if I went back to one of my old jobs I'd have to start back at "day 1" of seniority, your "contributing life" to the SG has started over. If you know you're going to leave and be beyond, potentially well beyond, the SG's kick limit, you're consciously making that choice - and any "penalties" that go with it. If you want to preserve your prestige count (knowing that Prestige is not lost, or yours to begin with, belonging to the SG) then do the following:
1. Open a Photobucket account, or other site - or use the personal web hosting your ISP may provide.
2. Go into game.
3. Type "Screenshotui 1"
4. Open the SG window, locate your name.
5. Press "PrtScr" to take a screenshot.
6. Type "Screenshotui 0" to turn off UI capture.
7. Save that screenshot and give a link to refer to it later.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Taxibot
Bill, it is fairly clear that you have a certain play style, and more power to you. I notice that your posts in these forums is currently at 25,242 posts, so you are apparently quite prolific and knowledgeable.
Cheers, Johnny |
Wow you really are desperate to think that that strawman argument carries any weight.
If you had any clue about Bill's post history you'd know he's argued that the forums would be better off if Post Counts and Forum Titles were removed altogether because they get used by people like you who are losing an argument to vilify the people disagreeing with them. Either by pointing at high post counts/titles and pretending they are being picked on or looking at low post counts/titles and dismissing people as noobs.
As to the original idea,
/unsigned.
Why? Because prestige earned means nothing. Especially when any Tom, Dick, or Harry can join an SG the same day Johnny_Taxibot does and can have more prestige than he does by simply converting influence to prestige at the SG registrar.
Quote:
^This. Also Johnny, DO NOT ASSUME BY JOIN DATE OR BY POST COUNT how much knowledge someone has. I am from Infinity and a few other servers and have been playing since 2007. You may search my original forum account, Sharker_Quint, if you want. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Wow you really are desperate to think that that strawman argument carries any weight.
If you had any clue about Bill's post history you'd know he's argued that the forums would be better off if Post Counts and Forum Titles were removed altogether because they get used by people like you who are losing an argument to vilify the people disagreeing with them. Either by pointing at high post counts/titles and pretending they are being picked on or looking at low post counts/titles and dismissing people as noobs. As to the original idea, /unsigned. Why? Because prestige earned means nothing. Especially when any Tom, Dick, or Harry can join an SG the same day Johnny_Taxibot does and can have more prestige than he does by simply converting influence to prestige at the SG registrar. |
You are looking to stroke your ego since you still have not figured out that prestige means absolutely nothing. To reiterate a point made by Forbin, I could join an SG the same time as you and farm my happy *** off to blow you out of the water in prestige. It doesn't mean that I contributed more to the sg then you, It proves either I enjoy farming and don't care about prestige or I am trying to make sure that I always have the most prestige cause my ego won't take anything less.
EDIT: small spelling error.
Quote:
off topic, I see you posting on a different forum account every month what's up with that?|
Originally Posted by Sharker Quint 0I
^This. Also Johnny, DO NOT ASSUME BY JOIN DATE OR BY POST COUNT how much knowledge someone has. I am from Infinity and a few otehr servers and have been playing since 2007. You may search my original forum account, Sharker_Quint, if you want.
You are looking to stroke your ego since you still have not figured out that prestige means absolutely nothing. To reiterate a point made by Forbin, I could join an SG the same time as you and farm my happy *** off to blow you out of the water in prestige. It doesn't mean that I contributed more to the sg then you, It proves either I enjoy farming and don't care about prestige or I am trying to make sure that I always have the most prestige cause my ego won't take anything less. |
your real account get banned or something?
Quote:
He is not currently paying the subscription for his real account so is using a succession of trial accounts in order to get forum access. Since trial accounts only last 2 weeks he has to change forum names every 2 weeks as well.
|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
off topic, I see you posting on a different forum account every month what's up with that?
your real account get banned or something? |
Quote:
^This. I do enjoy the forums and throwing out some thoughts once in a while. And I really didn't go off topic, I made a point to something Johnny said.
|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
He is not currently paying the subscription for his real account so is using a succession of trial accounts in order to get forum access. Since trial accounts only last 2 weeks he has to change forum names every 2 weeks as well.
|
Quote:
I believe Lucky used the term "off topic" to indicate he was going to be saying something that was off topic. I don't think he was implying that you were off topic. |
Originally Posted by Sharker Quint 0I
^This. I do enjoy the forums and throwing out some thoughts once in a while. And I really didn't go off topic, I made a point to something Johnny said.
|
Quote:
Good point.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I believe Lucky used the term "off topic" to indicate he was going to be saying something that was off topic. I don't think he was implying that you were off topic.
|
I thought about that right before I read your post.
Quote:
Pfft, Sharker's an off topic any time. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I believe Lucky used the term "off topic" to indicate he was going to be saying something that was off topic. I don't think he was implying that you were off topic.
|
/unsigned. Prestige earned is meaningless so resetting to zero is ok if you leave and rejoin an SG. If you are worried about your prestige...don't leave the SG.
~ Infinity Heroes ~
Dark Voltage - 50 NRG/NRG/EM Blaster
Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
Quote:
Hi Bill,|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
A suggestion.
<...snip...> I never made such a statement. All three would be in the same SG. Mentioning "the" supergroup once should, I'd expect, have made that a clear baseline. |
Sorry, I organized the post into a list in order to make the details easier to read. Apparently that had the opposite result.
You had appeared to be honestly trying to propose some thoughtful points, and as a precaution I reiterated the points as a means of confirming with you that I'd understood them. By no means was I trying to construct a straw man argument, though I might suggest you look up the term.
Regards,
Johnny
Hi everyone!
I just returned to the game after a couple years, and found myself dropped from my SG despite having made it clear that I'd be away. Regardless, I was invited back, but the amount of prestige that I'd accumulated (2,297,879) had been cleared to zero.
It had taken quite a bit of teaming to accumulate that prestige, so I made a /petition to restore the value in our SG list. However, the request was denied, with support saying they didn't have the tools nor authority.
Long story short, I'd like to propose the following:
1) Persistent Prestige2) Prestige Adjust for Support
I'm not certain why this issue hasn't been raised because there *must* be others that have stumbled across this. Support's suggestion to me was to simply re-earn the prestige, but this is nonsense. If I have to be away for a couple years again, and I get my prestige cleared again, then the effort will be wasted a second time. Best not to play at all than suffer annoying game mechanics.
Are these ideas fair? From my perspective, my prestige came from leading regular teams, either scheduled task forces, or recruited pickup teams. There was quite a bit of effort and organization involved, and having the prestige amount listed was a visual indication of the seriousness of my contributions.
In addition, I've done quite a bit of SG recruiting for the Taxibots on Infinity. When doing orientation for new taxis, I would cite my accumulated prestige as an example that teaming in SG mode doesn't really hurt you. However, I've been shown that getting dropped from the SG *does* have an impact, and I'm surprised that support doesn't have the tools to resolve this.
Cheers,
Johnny