Do a search for Traps and FF on these forums and I am pretty sure you will be convinced its Traps anything over FF anything
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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I did a search it that and I saw more Traps then FF for sure but am unsure of the reasons. While I know Traps is great and more active I am leaning towards FF for the teaming(my wife doesn't understand the concept of defense yet). Just kinda wandering if I go FF would I still have that Bots MM that can take out GMS?
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Originally Posted by plainguy
Do a search for Traps and FF on these forums and I am pretty sure you will be convinced its Traps anything over FF anything
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GMS = Giant Monster ?|
Originally Posted by Jakarr
I did a search it that and I saw more Traps then FF for sure but am unsure of the reasons. While I know Traps is great and more active I am leaning towards FF for the teaming(my wife doesn't understand the concept of defense yet). Just kinda wandering if I go FF would I still have that Bots MM that can take out GMS?
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If so, then the answer is no. Unless your wife is playing some sort of debuffer. Solo wise it will be a stand off. You won't be able to over come the AV regen and such but your defense will allow you to heal up between hits.
Either way Traps debuffs will work better with her debuffs for stacking reasons. Again assuming your wife is gonna play a debuffer.
Trust me 50 levels of bubbling will get annoying I have one. Its defense capped including pets. It just does not offer the fun and abilities Traps does. Its safe as heck. Its pretty much push mobs out of melee range with force bolt and direct your pets to kill each mob in a group and move onto the next. The biggest issue is keeping your pets inside your repel bubble and out of melee range.
What also matters if your going with IO set bonuses or just generic IOs ? Generic then I would Say FF as your going to obtain Defense cap for the pets at least that much easier.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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Wife plays more DPS types and sometimes CC, shes more a blaster dominator style of play. I'v been playing Brutes normally for tankage(currently in love with my DM/SD brute) and it works with whatever toon she picks, I'v just been wanting to try out the Bots MM for a while and was thinkin that the Force Fielder would help out more but ya know I think I'll go Traps it does look more fun. |
Originally Posted by plainguy
GMS = Giant Monster ?
If so, then the answer is no. Unless your wife is playing some sort of debuffer. Solo wise it will be a stand off. You won't be able to over come the AV regen and such but your defense will allow you to heal up between hits. Either way Traps debuffs will work better with her debuffs for stacking reasons. Again assuming your wife is gonna play a debuffer. Trust me 50 levels of bubbling will get annoying I have one. Its defense capped including pets. It just does not offer the fun and abilities Traps does. Its safe as heck. Its pretty much push mobs out of melee range with force bolt and direct your pets to kill each mob in a group and move onto the next. The biggest issue is keeping your pets inside your repel bubble and out of melee range. What also matters if your going with IO set bonuses or just generic IOs ? Generic then I would Say FF as your going to obtain Defense cap for the pets at least that much easier. |
Side Note---Do your Protector bots bubble the force field Generator?
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they should bubble up any pet under your control|
Originally Posted by Jakarr
Wife plays more DPS types and sometimes CC, shes more a blaster dominator style of play. I'v been playing Brutes normally for tankage(currently in love with my DM/SD brute) and it works with whatever toon she picks, I'v just been wanting to try out the Bots MM for a while and was thinkin that the Force Fielder would help out more but ya know I think I'll go Traps it does look more fun.
Side Note---Do your Protector bots bubble the force field Generator? |
and a bot/trap can solo darn near any tough baddy due to poison trap, but i do agree that FF on a mm is ungodly boring
if you want to feel like a buff bot then go with FF, if you want to feel overpowered go with traps lol
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Just wanted to echo that protector does bubble your FFG. You are the last toon they bubble. |
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
they should bubble up any pet under your control
and a bot/trap can solo darn near any tough baddy due to poison trap, but i do agree that FF on a mm is ungodly boring if you want to feel like a buff bot then go with FF, if you want to feel overpowered go with traps lol |
I have noticed 2 common methods for Robot Traps either you go full defense cap without the use of pets so the pets will actually give you another 7% or you rely on pet bubbles for the last 7% to 12% ( depending on how you slot them ) and free up some slots for something else. Personally I want the full defense cap without the pets. I like that safety cushion and gives me a bit of room when I get debuffed.
The great thing about FFG is if your wife gets her defenses into the 20s FFG will give her the other defenses she is short on. So the both of you will be capped. If she was into getting a new toon you could both go traps. It would be MASSIVE. She could go Archery Traps Corruptor or Traps Archery Defender. I have a Traps AR Defender which is another great toon. Same thing can solo 4/8 mission settings. I have both a Defender and Corruptor Traps Defense cap build I can pass along. Another cool thing is by the mid 20s you both would be defense capped with 2 FFG running plus the other toggles. I think it would be a great way to introduce her to the Game mechanics behind defense cap and have a fun toon as well. MM can be tough especially with some of the AI glitches going on so I wouldn't want to burden her with defense mechanics and having to deal with MM pet AI. I have a key bind that is all pets stay and I use that as a work around to keep pets in one area. I just spam that as I click my powers with the mouse.
I wanted to add. Plus you can alternate Poison traps and buy the lockdown proc, so you could lock down a bunch of mobs. My head is exploding thinking how much fun the both of you would have with 2 Traps sets. You would be running 0/8 or 1/8 setting by mid 30s with just the 2 of you. Almost makes me Jealous.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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to add to this if she wanted to run a mm too, a bot/trap and demon/trap would be a godly duo|
Originally Posted by plainguy
I wanted to add. Plus you can alternate Poison traps and buy the lockdown proc, so you could lock down a bunch of mobs. My head is exploding thinking how much fun the both of you would have with 2 Traps sets. You would be running 0/8 or 1/8 setting by mid 30s with just the 2 of you. Almost makes me Jealous.
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your defenses would be so high plus the ember demon doing aoe heals and the +resist buff
i should actually try doing this duo with one of my friends in the game lol
Here's one advantage of Traps over FF.
On FF:
"Teammate says: Buffs please."
Spend the next 30 seconds bubbling your team and your pets. Rinse and repeat every 4 minutes. Pull hair out.
On Traps:
"Teammate says: Buffs please."
Bring out FF generator. Two seconds and done. Proceed to acid mortaring, poisoning trapping, toe bombing, etc. You know, the fun stuff.
Kinda to echo what everyone else is saying, FFG + manuevers is about 20% defense once slotted up, thats about half the softcap right there. Protector bots add about 15% to your other pets, and ~7.5% def to you, and themselves, by the time your level 18 your close enough to the softcap to make things die much faster then they can hit and kill you.
If your wife plays a damage toon, then you can go even further with it, and rely on seeker drones to draw the alpha, and just have your pets on aggressive soaking damage while you and your wife murder and debuff everything in range.
Acid mortar is by far the best debuff in the game (hands down, due to its ability to triple stack) so just pour as much recharge as you can into it. Once you get a feel for a triple stacked acid mortar debuff, you'll never want to roll another debuff character again, cuz nothing can match its effectiveness.
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At best. I love to solo with my level 50 bots/traps/mace. Soft-capped def(all) for me and for all 6 bots is awe-inspiring, and the fact that you can build a perfectly good */ff on only a couple of powers with 4 slots each frees up power selections and slots to do all kinds of fun things. But I'm done with that character, and I'll tell you what was the straw that broke the camel's back:|
Originally Posted by baron_inferno
On FF: "Teammate says: Buffs please."
Spend the next 30 seconds bubbling your team and your pets. Rinse and repeat every 4 minutes. Pull hair out. |
When Citadel's TF was the weekly strike target, I landed on a team with 4 level 50 tankers on it. As soon as we entered each of the defeat-all maps, the tankers said, "let's split up to clear it quicker." Each of the four tankers went a different way. And all four of them then complained that I wasn't re-bubbling them.
I'm done teaming with force field or thermal radiation until and unless they change those buffs until they're permanent-until-zoning. And the end-game in CoH is now all about teaming.
OK looking to try out a Bots MM and looking on advice for which secondary? I am leaning towards FF for teamage and bubbles but traps does look a little more active and fun.