7 Purple Sets?

I am trying to build a high dame Will/SS/Mu tank. I looked through the tank forums for the last year, no Will/SS Damage build. It is a very unpopular build to solo Pylons with I guess lol. But I have a desire to do it (not solo pylons, but get a big damage build), so I will.

I was thinking of throwing 6-7 Purple sets into it, then just cramming w/e else I can to finish it out. The thinking is 5 sets @ 5 for the Rech bonuses (Grav Anchor, Hecatomb, Armageddon, Absolute Amazement, Ragnarok), then 2 sets w/ diff bonuses @ 4 (Apocalypse, Soulbound Allegiance), for the global damage bonus. I am not worried about the cost, but am not sure that is the most efficient way to get to my goal.

Any thoughts?

The rule of 5's for set bonuses is important to remember. You can't have more than 5 of the same bonus.

I think you have made many threads about this and you are trying too hard to find something that doesn't exist. If you want to do damage, aim for 32.5% defenses and put the rest of your set bonuses into recharge. If you can reach perma-Hasten (or close to it), you will have enough recharge to run a decent attack chain, but you will NEVER out-DPS Scrappers or Brutes. The base values on Tankers' attacks are lower because Tankers have higher base survivability values.

Edit: I just read your post in your other thread.

Chasing damage bonuses from sets is futile effort. You can gain 3-4% here and there, but it will not make a noticeable difference because of the attack mechanics. Damage bonuses add to each other, and your enhancement values.

Let's say you have an attack enhanced to 95% damage bonus and have Rage double-stacked for 160% more damage bonus. Your 100 damage attack now does 355 damage.

Now let's say you add 30% damage bonus from sets. That is a lot to get and would severely impact your survivability. Your 100 damage attack would then do 385 damage, or 7.8% more damage.

If you really want to do damage with a Tanker just get a Kinetics person to keep you buffed. You can try for your build but I think you would get more satisfaction from making a Scrapper survivable than making a Tanker do DPS.

Theres no reason a solo tank cannot be high damage. That said you need to let the design goal dictate the set choices. Something like Willpower or Invuln puts you at a severe disadvantage from the outset.
If you want damage first last and always one of the other ATs might indeed be a better choice.

For a Tanker?

SD/SS/Soul

Might be another good... raw damage tanker.

But really if your looking for big damage output and tankish, look at brutes.

SS/FA/Pyre Brutes I have heard donig some very Mean and nasty things to people O_o

Nothing wrong with a high purpled out tanker build for solo purposes..that's why they gave us 3 builds for...infact my fire tanks first build is a purpled out tank and I run him solo in that build and love every mi ute f it!..I say go for it!

my 2nd build is a team build where my fire tank is soft cappped so i know how your feeling. but nothing beats a purpled out build just for the pure solo wreckage!

Thanks for the encouragement guys. Currently I am using a tier 4 Cardiac Core Paragon, so hopefully that will keep the beast fed. Was thinking about going to a +dam, or +rech Alpha on the damage build, but having realized what a shard black hole i20 is going to be I will probably just stay with Cardiac on both builds for a few months.

Just tried to plot this guy in Mids, sigh. 1/2 hour, hardly got anything done. In my mind I can see it, but I know I have to plan it out careful or I will be off a slot. I will try to work on it more this week. Really wanted it done before i20. I have a free respec I want to use up on the build I leveled him up on,l still S/O'd.

Okay, before we go too far off topic. I know this guy will never compete with a similarly budgeted and well put together Scrapper, or Brute, or Blapper. Very good points have been made by everyone that has posted so far. But again, this is an optional build (the main soft cap def tanky build is already in place) that I will be using on a limited basis, when survivability is not a problem, and I want to go from low 4WD into high 4WD. I understand I will never make this particular build 2WD, and definitely not a street racer. It's just once in a while I want to go above 30 mph. Addendum: I am limiting myself to doing that on this toon instead of alting to a better archtype/powerset choice because I have decided to only run this toon for 2011.

I tried with Mids. I am really horrible with it. For some reason my last power pick Summon Mu would only allow me to slot 2 Enh, when I know there is 3 at 50. And therefore that set is 3/6, should be 4/6.

Begin the destruction and rebuilding lol, and thx.

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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(15)
Level 1: Jab -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(3), Mako-Dam%(5), Zinger-Dam%(5), T'Death-Dam%(7)
Level 2: Mind Over Body -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(15)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(7), Panac-Heal/+End(27), Panac-Heal(27)
Level 6: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(13)
Level 8: Haymaker -- ExStrk-Dmg/KB(A), ExStrk-Dam%(9), Mako-Dam%(9), Mako-Acc/Dmg(11), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 10: Rise to the Challenge -- DefEgo-ToHitDeb/Rchg(A), DefEgo-RecDeb%(17), DefEgo-ToHitDeb(33)
Level 12: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(13), EndMod-I(43), EndMod-I(43)
Level 14: Kick -- ExStrk-Dam%(A), FrcFbk-Dmg/KB(36)
Level 16: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(17), S'fstPrt-ResKB(36), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 18: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 20: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(23), Hectmb-Dam%(23), NrncSD-Dam%(25)
Level 22: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-EndRdx(25), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFtn-Def(33)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Resurgence -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-Build%(29), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit(34)
Level 30: Hand Clap -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(31), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(31), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(31), Amaze-ToHitDeb%(33)
Level 32: Strength of Will -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
Level 35: Hurl -- Dev'n-Hold%(A), ExStrk-Dam%(37), ExStrk-Dmg/KB(37), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(43), Dev'n-Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(39), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(39), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Armgdn-Dam%(40), Zinger-Dam%(40)
Level 41: Mu Lightning -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Apoc-Dam%(46)
Level 44: Electrifying Fences -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(45), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(45), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(45), GravAnch-Hold%(46)
Level 47: Ball Lightning -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Knock%(50)
Level 49: Summon Striker -- S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(A), S'bndAl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50), S'bndAl-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(19), Heal-I(40)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(19)

The biggest problem I see right away is that you don't have Hasten. Without it, you won't be able to use your high DPA (damage per activation time) attacks. The key to doing high damage on any character is NOT damage bonuses. Instead, it is recharge bonuses so you can use your best attacks more often. The other advantage of high global recharge would be the ability to double-stack Rage all the time. At a whopping 80% damage bonus per application of Rage, it makes your 22% bonus from sets pathetic. Read my post above again to see why set damage bonuses have minimal impact on a build.

KO Blow is your best attack in terms of DPA. Gloom from Soul Mastery is equal DPA to KO Blow. Those are the two essential attacks you should have if you want to make a DPS chain.

I'm pretty sure the best attack chain for a SS/WP Tanker would be Jab -> Gloom -> Haymaker -> KO Blow -> Gloom -> Haymaker (can replace Haymaker with AoEs if desired). Your 22% damage bonus and low global recharge would pale in comparison to someone running that attack chain with double-stacked Rage, even with minimal or no damage bonus from sets. If you can't understand why attack chains are much better than obtaining damage bonus from sets, try asking in the Scrapper forums. Maybe someone there can show you some math.

Doing that attack chain would require a lot of recharge bonus in both Gloom and KO Blow. You can calculate the required recharge times for each power by dividing the base recharge by the total shortest Arcanatime animation times between uses of a power. For example, Gloom gets used twice, but the shortest recharge time required is while Haymaker and Jab are animating. Remember that a power does not start recharging until it is finished animating. The Arcanatime (Mids' can be set to display this in the options) for Haymaker is 1.716 seconds and Jab's is 1.32 seconds. So, Gloom's base recharge (12s) divided by the shortest total Arcanatime animation time between uses (3.036s) is 395.3% required recharge. Every power has a base of 100% recharge and can be enhanced by 95% or so with enhancements. That leaves 195% global recharge to obtain through set bonuses and Hasten.

Your "missing" level 50 slot is in Ball Lightning. Turn on slot levels to see it.

Thanks Syntax. That actually makes complete sense without seeing the formulas. I will drop in hasten, and reconfigure the build without going for global damage bonuses unless they fall into my lap. Putting all my efforts into Recharge, ensuring that the attacks that are my bread and butter are all at or very very near ED, and then taking the rest of the build and making it as tanky as I can with what I have left. I really enjoy all the Procs I am planning for him, especially all the ones in jab. Between that and brusing it will be a fun little power to watch.

The one reason I went with Mu instead of Soul is I figure I will be doing far more AoE work with this build than ST. The two times I really want to show it off are when I am with 7 other tanks (so huge spawns) or when I am grinding AE for cash. When I am running arcs with EBs in them it would be better to have Soul Mastery and Gloom (Use it on a brute I have), but it still will be no problem on this build. I currently take them on with the softcap build, which is not a very heavy hitter, without any effort really. I normally do not like pets, but even though I am reconsidering that choice it seems like it could increase damage output significantly.