I can't see the numbers at work but what do you want to do with the build? Those pvp IO's cost a stupid amount if you didn't know that already. Personally I'd drop the decimation proc from levitate and the clouded senses proc from terrify and move them around somewhere else. I'd either take a end mod from stamina and replace it with a performance shifter proc or drop another slot into stam and have 3 perfomance shifters in it. I'd also move the Unbreakable constraints from total domination and put them into dominate and then put that last slot into it and drop the apocalypse damage into it and get alot more mileage out of that attack. If you don't want to slot for alot +def you could easily go psi mastery and have IW up alot with that much +rech.
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First, if you are fairly new to the game and this is your first controller, you may want to reconsider much of this build . . . just because the IOs are available in Mids does not mean that they are easy to get. You have included a lot of Rare purple sets and several ultra-rare PvP sets in this build. Do you have an idea how expensive those sets are? Most of the folks with those kinds of sets have been playing the game for a long time and/or spend a lot of time "farming" for huge amounts of influence to buy them at the market. I've been around since Dec. 2004 and I don't have a single build nearly as expensive as the one you posted.
But having said that, this build seems to do a decent job at slotting the most important powers.
But, assuming you are going forward with that build, a couple of points: I view Dominate, Mesmerize and Levitate as the single target attack chain for Mind control. I like to slot Dominate with a combo of Acc, Hold, Rech and Damage, while Mez and Lev get slotted with pure damage. Dom-Mez-Lev is the way I take down targets. Dom-Mez-Lev has a couple of good reasons to use it in that order. The goal is to set up Containment for Levitate. Hold is better than sleep, but if you miss with Dom, then Mez will still set up Containment for Lev (but if you did Mez-Dom, Dominate would wake up the foe). Also, if you are going after a boss, Dom won't hold most of the time, but Mez will with one shot. Then Lev throws the foe up in the air while you get a chance to stack Dom again to get the boss held.
The Chance for Hold in Levitate will have minimal benefits if you use the Dom-Mez-Lev chain since most foes will already be held.
For Dominate, 4 Baz Gaze are good. Then an Acc/Dam and pure Damage. At level 50, a good choice is an Acc/Dam Hami-O and a common Damage IO.
Mesmerize gets 5 Decimation if you are looking for Recharge. I wouldn't bother with the Call of the Sandman -- You could put Sleep in the last slot if you have a spare slot, but it already recharges faster than the sleep runs out.
If you are going to use the Fortunata Hypnosis in Mass Hypnosis, which is good if you can, then put a 5th slot in it for the 10% Recharge. The Fortunata set is the cheapest of the purple sets, so by doing that, you can skip the purple set in one of your other powers. The Damage ones are most expensive.
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I'll echo Local_Man's comments regarding alternate slotting for Mez and Dominate. Dom+Lev+Mez (not neccessarily in that order) will be your best way of dealing with single targets if the need ever arises. The native duration of Mez's sleep is so long, you are better off slotting it for damage as Local describes.|
Originally Posted by Rayonn
This is my first attempt at a controller build. I was slotting for recharge (just barely got perma-hasten), with some recovery and defense. I intend to be teaming (though you could probably guess that given the /empathy) so I don't expect to need too much defense.
Does anyone see any ways I could improve this? I'm not committed to the Soul epic --- Psionic or Primal Forces would also work with my concept. Thanks in advance. |
I was drawn to Mind/Emp mainly for its ability to run TK (I love this power) for extended periods of time (its one of the few combos that can do so without dipping into the Primal APP). I think you made a wise choice going with a high +Recharge build with a secondary focus on +DEF. Mind/ and /Emp both have long charging powers that benefit from +recharge.
My personal philosophy on +DEF is that its a great second line of protection that can keep you alive longer. The first line of protection comes in the form of your controls, but even they have limitations. During situations where your controls have reached their limits you may be the only thing keeping your team alive through buffs and heals; you can't accomplish this if you are dead.
I modified my own Mind/Emp build with your power selections in mind. Slotting is odd in a few places; its only intended to be a rough guide that may inspire some ideas of your own:
http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/downl...B9FE0F844AEE2A
I actually went with /Mace as my Epic pool and I am pretty happy with that choice:
http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/downl...61FF1FA089F5F1
If you are a new player, I actually recommend Illusion. Illusion demands much less attention to be successful, offers a pet you can buff, is compatible with most concepts that use Empathy, and Phantom army is the most powerful control in the game, effective against everything from AVs to enemies with mez protection. The only thing of note you will miss from Mind is Dominate (by far the best ST hold of any control set).
Regardless of which control set you chose, 2 APPs stand out for empaths. Psi mastery has a buff that gives mez protection, but it's a clicky and takes much more recharge to make permanent (on the order of 130% from set bonuses). Power mastery offers Power Boost which increases the strength of your heals and the defense/ToHit from Fortitude. As a controller, you can Heal Other for around 1k and Fortitude for some +30% defense which is comparable with forcefields bubbles. However, you will need to train yourself to click powerboost before using fortitude, and remember that power boosted Fortitude does not overwrite a non-powerboosted one. Mind is not a big damage control set so you will always have anemic damage regardless of APP.
Generally speaking, your single-target hold and sleep should be slotted for damage, and purple sets should be 5-slotted. You can afford to skimp on slotting for Confuse since it starts out with a long duration and abnormally high accuracy. You should take Heal Other instead of Absorb Pain if you have to chose between the two because Absorb Pain makes you unable to be healed for a while after using it, and the heal fires 0.5s later into the animation (the cause of many squishy deaths, speaking from experience). Here is probably how I would slot a 'cheap' Mind/emp (no purple damage sets). You have perma-hasten, 20 ranged defense, and indomitable will is about 6.5s from permanent.
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Huh? How is Dominate "by far the best ST hold of any control set?" It has the same duration and Recharge as all the others (except Blind trades a slightly lower duration for its secondary AoE sleep). The cast time is the second fastest, after Char. Dominate has no secondary effects and does 30.59 base Psi Damage at level 50, which is heavily resisted in the late game by some foes. How is this better "by far" than other holds?|
Originally Posted by Laevateinn
The only thing of note you will miss from Mind is Dominate (by far the best ST hold of any control set).
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Fossilize has -knockback and provides Defense Debuff.
Char does more damage 33.65 over time and it is Fire, and animates slightly faster.
Grav. Dist. does the same damage as Char, and adds -knockback and Slow.
Block of Ice also adds Slow and -knockback.
Blind's cast time is almost as fast, slightly shorter duration but adds a small AoE Sleep.
Strangler has the same higher damage as Char and Grav.
Tesla Cage has some endurance drain.
I don't see how you can say any of these is "by far" better over the others. They are all pretty equal, with minor differences in animation and secondary effects.
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Dominate's true animation time (in Arcanatime) is same as Char's at 1.320s. This is nearly lightspeed when compared to most Controller single-target holds, which generally have Arcanatime animation times over 2s; I think the next-best one is Blind at 1.848s, some 40% longer, and Blind recharges a second slower. You are right that Char is a very close contender, which I should've kept in mind when saying that, however Dominate does not have a projectile, and the hold lands almost instantly as you fire it. It is a very fast, very responsive hold that stacks magnitude well, with good DPA to maximize proc damage. Things like -def, endurance drain and -slow are nice, but ultimately gravy on an enemy that is held and helpless.
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Originally Posted by Local_Man
Huh? How is Dominate "by far the best ST hold of any control set?" It has the same duration and Recharge as all the others (except Blind trades a slightly lower duration for its secondary AoE sleep). The cast time is the second fastest, after Char. Dominate has no secondary effects and does 30.59 base Psi Damage at level 50, which is heavily resisted in the late game by some foes. How is this better "by far" than other holds?
Fossilize has -knockback and provides Defense Debuff. Char does more damage 33.65 over time and it is Fire, and animates slightly faster. Grav. Dist. does the same damage as Char, and adds -knockback and Slow. Block of Ice also adds Slow and -knockback. Blind's cast time is almost as fast, slightly shorter duration but adds a small AoE Sleep. Strangler has the same higher damage as Char and Grav. Tesla Cage has some endurance drain. I don't see how you can say any of these is "by far" better over the others. They are all pretty equal, with minor differences in animation and secondary effects. |
To add a bit to Laev's view on Dominate, it is one of the very few attacks that has no positional component (it shares this trait with Blind). I have found this very useful, aside from a select few mobs with high psi defense (Carnies and some Arachnos), Dominate is sure to hit. It's not an overwhelming advantage, but it does come in handy from time to time.
Thanks for the tips. Here's a revised version that I made. I'm keeping Absorb Pain, because in my experience I tend to want more for End than HP (and that will only get worse as I add + recharge), and, since I'm on a static team with a lot of melee ATs, I usually only take damage if I accidentally aggroed a second spawn while maneuvering, in which case I'm dead anyway.
Anathocleos: Level 50 Natural Controller
Primary Power Set: Mind Control
Secondary Power Set: Empathy
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Levitate -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(3), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Healing Aura -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal(9), Dct'dW-Rchg(9)
Level 2: Dominate -- BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(A), Dmg-I(11), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(11), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(13), BasGaze-Acc/Hold(13)
Level 4: Mesmerize -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(17), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Thundr-Acc/Dmg(21)
Level 6: Absorb Pain -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(23)
Level 8: Mass Hypnosis -- FtnHyp-Sleep(A), FtnHyp-Sleep/Rchg(23), FtnHyp-Acc/Sleep/Rchg(25), FtnHyp-Acc/Rchg(25), FtnHyp-Sleep/EndRdx(27)
Level 10: Confuse -- Pplx-Rchg/Conf(A), Pplx-Acc/Rchg(27), Pplx-Acc/Conf/Rchg(29)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 14: Hover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Clear Mind -- Range-I(A)
Level 18: Total Domination -- UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(A), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(31), UbrkCons-Dam%(31), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(33), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(33)
Level 20: Fortitude -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(33), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(34), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(34), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(34)
Level 22: Fly -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36)
Level 26: Terrify -- Posi-Dam%(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(37), Posi-Dmg/Rng(37), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 28: Recovery Aura -- RechRdx-I(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 32: Mass Confusion -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(39), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(40), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(40), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(40), CoPers-Conf%(42)
Level 35: Regeneration Aura -- Dct'dW-Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal(42), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(42), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(43), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 38: Adrenalin Boost -- Dct'dW-Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(43), Dct'dW-Heal(45), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45), EndMod-I(46)
Level 41: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(46), RechRdx-I(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 44: Mind Over Body -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Psionic Tornado -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dam%(50)
Level 49: Resurrect -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(15)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(15), EndMod-I(17)
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You can ditch the End Mod IO in Adrenaline Boost and put that slot elsewhere (maybe dominate for more damage). Adrenaline Boost has a ridiculous amount of end recov so adding the extra end mod slot is wasted.
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The purpose of the End. Mod is to allow Blasters, Defenders, and Corrupters to recover through crashing nukes which come with a 1000% recovery debuff. AB without the End. Mod. and Recovery Aura together allow them to come out of the red on recovery, but just barely.
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Originally Posted by Ra_Ra
You can ditch the End Mod IO in Adrenaline Boost and put that slot elsewhere (maybe dominate for more damage). Adrenaline Boost has a ridiculous amount of end recov so adding the extra end mod slot is wasted.
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This is my first attempt at a controller build. I was slotting for recharge (just barely got perma-hasten), with some recovery and defense. I intend to be teaming (though you could probably guess that given the /empathy) so I don't expect to need too much defense.
Does anyone see any ways I could improve this? I'm not committed to
the Soul epic --- Psionic or Primal Forces would also work with my concept.
Thanks in advance.
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Anathocleos: Level 50 Natural Controller
Primary Power Set: Mind Control
Secondary Power Set: Empathy
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Levitate
- (A) Decimation - Chance of Build Up
- (3) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
- (3) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (5) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
- (5) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
- (7) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
Level 1: Healing Aura- (A) Panacea - Heal
- (7) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
- (9) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (50) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge
- (50) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
Level 2: Dominate- (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
- (9) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- (11) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- (11) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
- (13) Gladiator's Javelin - Damage/Recharge
- (13) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)
Level 4: Mesmerize- (A) Call of the Sandman - Sleep/Range
- (15) Call of the Sandman - Accuracy/Sleep/Recharge
- (17) Devastation - Damage/Recharge
- (17) Devastation - Damage/Endurance
- (19) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
Level 6: Absorb Pain- (A) Healing IO
- (19) Healing IO
Level 8: Mass Hypnosis- (A) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Endurance
- (21) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Recharge
- (21) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Sleep/Recharge
- (23) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Recharge
Level 10: Confuse- (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance
- (23) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge
- (25) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge
- (25) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion
- (27) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge
Level 12: Hasten- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (34) Recharge Reduction IO
- (34) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 14: Hover- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 16: Clear Mind- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 18: Total Domination- (A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge
- (27) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge
- (29) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (29) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge
- (31) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold
Level 20: Fortitude- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (31) Luck of the Gambler - Endurance/Recharge
- (33) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (33) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
Level 22: Fly- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
Level 24: Maneuvers- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (34) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
Level 26: Terrify- (A) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
- (36) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (36) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
- (37) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown
- (37) Cloud Senses - Chance for Negative Energy Damage
Level 28: Recovery Aura- (A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
- (39) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
- (39) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
- (39) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 30: Combat Jumping- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 32: Mass Confusion- (A) Malaise's Illusions - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge
- (40) Malaise's Illusions - Endurance/Confused
- (40) Malaise's Illusions - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
- (40) Malaise's Illusions - Confused/Range
- (42) Malaise's Illusions - Accuracy/Recharge
- (42) Malaise's Illusions - Accuracy/Endurance
Level 35: Regeneration Aura- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (42) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (43) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
- (43) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
Level 38: Adrenalin Boost- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
- (43) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (45) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (45) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (45) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (46) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
Level 41: Dark Embrace- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (46) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
Level 44: Dark Consumption- (A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
- (46) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
Level 47: Soul Drain- (A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (48) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (48) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (48) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (50) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
Level 49: Resurrect- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
------------Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
Level 1: ContainmentLevel 1: Sprint
- (A) Celerity - +Stealth
Level 2: Rest- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 4: Ninja RunLevel 2: Swift
- (A) Run Speed IO
Level 2: Health- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
Level 2: Hurdle- (A) Jumping IO
Level 2: Stamina- (A) Endurance Modification IO
- (15) Endurance Modification IO
------------Set Bonus Totals: