Make Build Up clickable in forms

I can use accolade clicks while in Dwarf and Nova...this one little change would definitely help bring the PB up a notch...how about it devs--throw the PB a bone and let us click build up in the forms?

It's unlikely that a change like this would happen since it would involve a fundamental change to the way the form powers work. You'd be more likely to see something like a "White Dwarf Build Up" power added than a change like this. Personally I don't really think this is a needed change, but the change as you're suggesting it be implemented is extremely unlikely just by virtue of the way Kheldian forms work. Accolade clicks have always worked in the forms but that's because of the way Accolades were coded (and I'm fairly certain this is actually a benign bug that the Devs just decided to label a feature).

My perspective on the matter of 'bringing PBs up a notch' is that Group Energy Flight should be replaced with an entirely new power. A shiny version of Air Superiority would be nice.

Unsigned. Forms are already too op now that Fitness affects them.

Nah just go rage.. it would increase human form dmg.. and go over into forms.. rage is soo much better for pb than build up

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Only if Warshades can have Mire and Eclipse in forms

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I can summon pets, shoot lightning and give shields to other players while I'm a Dwarf or Nova...but I can't click Build Up.

Group Energy Flight... first, ought to be made a click pbaoe power and have its penalties removed. As it stands the way people need to stay near you pretty much kills any benefit the power 'might' even have. Even when there weren't lots of temp powers that replicated it, back in the day there were a lot of people getting dropped in the shadow shard trying to use it. Until people stopped going there at all because rularuu were hard and dumpster puppies were not. But even once it's a click and thus won't drop people who happen to lag a bit... a lot of powers require the user to be on the ground - including solar flare or white dwarf flare - so flying actually isn't necessarily a buff to a wide range of characters. If I had to choose between flying and using foot stomp on my super strength brute, foot stomp would win every time. Therefore... instead of making it actually grant flight, make it a flight speed buff instead of granting flight. And since that's still pretty weak, give it some actual stat buffs. Since it's 'energy,' potential things it could buff based on that are recovery, regen, recharge, and damage - maybe even be a little unique by adding an energy proc to attacks, like fiery embrace. Since it's 'flight' it could also buff defense, though I think defense is running amok in the game right now and wouldn't be surprised if the devs were hesitant to give out more, except maybe in token amounts that wouldn't be much of a help at all to peacebringers.

Bottom line... I'd personally like to see group energy flight become a click pbaoe +fly speed, +recovery, +regen buff. I'd take that power, and use it as something other than exhibit one of what's wrong with peacebringers. Just sayin'.

I saw a suggestion awhile ago, that wasn't my idea, to make PB buildup a 'mini rage' type of power before - give it a longer duration, take away some of the buff. Something like a 1-minute uptime 5-10% tohit, 60% damage buff with a 3-minute base recharge speed would probably work out okay. A shorter base recharge would have to be compensated by not making it stack, I think, since the only thing that keeps stacking rage from being completely out of hand is is damage crash. I don't think that kind of intrusive, red light/green light mechanic needs to be repeated anywhere (even though I quite enjoy my super strength brute). Anyway, I definitely am behind that idea. I haven't mathed up how much it would help, but it'd be a lot friendlier to shapeshifting than BU is, and that's a start.

If we could get dwarf powers in lightform... I'd have to renew the cry for solar flare and radiant strike to do knock down instead of knockback. You couldn't chain dwarf flare and solar flare very well when solar flare made them fly all over. And radiant strike's KB can hurt your 'practical' DPS as you have to chase your target down to hit again with your much-stronger human melee attacks. Melee ATs had most of their KB turned to KD for a reason. I'd probably even hate super strength if it still KB'd!

Photon seekers... as they stand... just don't do what we need them to. Which is compete with extracted essence. Since I doubt the devs will actually make them essence-like pets, I would like to see them made over into a more effective AOE. The electric control set and now the ion judgement have inspired the idea in me to make photon seekers a 'chain' or 'jumping' AOE power, where you zap out a couple kooshballs that immediately hit something, and then jump around from there. Same sort of 'glowy balls seeking things out' theme, but that works instantly and without the current seekers' wonkiness on going off, hitting targets, hitting the same targets, or having a too-small radius. Seekers' recharge time and damage actually are already balanced around being a "nuke" power, the biggest problem I've always had with them is that despite their long recharge and unreliability they've got a terribly small radius compared to other nuke powers. Solving that in this manner doesn't change the character or appearance of the power much, just makes it effective for its apparent purpose.

Probably still wouldn't close the gap with warshades, though.

Edit: What probably would work, and make peacebringers a pretty snazzy AT in one fell swoop, would be to make it over into a full auto/rain of arrows type of nuke, that could be gotten down to a 30 second or shorter recharge time without enormous IO investments. Even 45 seconds to a minute, like hail of bullets, would be a pretty huge improvement to the AT. (Yes I know those nukes can be up even faster if you want to make them be). In fact, thinking about it more, this seems almost like a magic bullet of a change: Photon seekers get turned into a "jumping chain lightning" type nuke with a longer cast animation, 16 target cap, and 90 to 120 second base recharge.

I could get behind DBZ Beamspam Photon Seekers. It'd take animation work though, but the art and animation guys have always done good work; and if they ever give us our color tintable alternate animation using customization that would be a perfect time to work on something like this.

PB Rage very much yes. Losing so much of the buildup switching forms is a pain in the backside, I'd accept longer cooldown for longer duration and lessened effect. Group Energy flight becoming some sorta click buff is fine by me too, it'd help shore up one of the gaps I find in the "jack of all trades" monicker we get told we are. We've got two controls (Pulsar/Incadescent strike), Melee, Range, all we really lack is group support, and something like you suggest for a power nobody took even when it was in a pool would help that a great deal.

Since we're on the subject of "changes we'd make to fix PB's" ive got a couple suggestions of my own...

1) Pulsar becomes mag 3 all the time, and either it becomes a hold, or Incandescent strike becomes a stun. I don't care which makes the switch, but both abilities should have synergy with each other. Pulsar would hit the minions and lieutenants, and Incandescent strike could then be used to CC a boss.

2) Radiant Strike and Solar Flare are knockdown now, not knockback. These two abilites are as much a hindrance to us as to the group. Our melee attacks make it hard for us to melee, that's just counter intuitive and should have been fixed ages ago.

3) Quantum Flight's end cost reduced. Just a no brainer here.

4) Shields changed to Defense at a lesser rate, and cosmic balance gets a solo effect. Id suggest 30 res, 30 dmg, and mag 3 protection. Every teammate added reduces those numbers by 10/10/1, and that teammate adds their normal bonus instead. So a defender added makes the numbers 20/40/2. Add a blaster and it becomes 20/30/1, and add an EAT and it becomes 10/20/0 with 10% recharge resist.

5) Dwarf form gets a taunt aura a la Invinc/RttC. Defense or Regen for enemies around them.

Anyways, those are my suggestions to add to the pile. A lot of them can even be ported over to Warshades.

They only thing I wish they would do to PB's is to give them some form of Immob i dont care if they add it to Pulsar or Proton Scatter. I just want to be able to stun and Immob. That is why when heroes could get PPP I wanted Kheldians to get them too, but we all know how that went I guess I played a controller to long...lol

I think that the answer to a lot of the issues people are talking about would be with the form change interupt time. Perhaps if this was faster, using build up or switching to dwarf for a heal would be less painless. Serveral people have commented with numbers showing that build up in forms wouldn't change PB dps. Perhaps, could they male Build Up an auto power and give PBs a damage bonus? (maybe not the same numbers though). It could be balanced on the WS side by making that long recharge human mire an auto power (maybe it could act like Shield's Against All Odds and provide bonuses to foes in range).

For the idea of taking Group Energy Flight away and maybe replace it with a Air Superiority look alike, I dont want to have another power to maybe want and slot with the 0 slots I have left to give. I do agree that if the -tohit debuff, end cost and fly speed were changed It would make more people happy with it. I took it on my PB mainly because I had to take another power and since I would have no slots, I looked for a power that without enhancements, would be worth the power choice. I chose GEF for helping team members in Shard or other areas where SS and SJers have trouble or when I help new players get badges etc...and it kinda looks cool.

Sorry one more thing to add:

Pb Rage idea...would that include the end crash as well as the -damage? If so then I don't agree with it cause those are reasons I don't play SS toons.

At this point, I say any buff is a buff. Giving Build Up to Nova and Dwarf makes sense to me.