WS vs PB? PvP Question

Mod_Noc · 03-03-2011 10:39 AM

Could a Warshade ever beat a Peacebringer in a one vs one PvP match if both players have equal PvP skills?

PC_guy · 03-03-2011 10:56 AM

No.

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SoilentGreen · 03-03-2011 11:08 AM

all things being equal, no. but if the build was just right and the to hit rolls didn't go the PBs way...maybe 1 out of 20 or so.

Dechs Kaison · 03-03-2011 11:39 AM

I dunno. Is the WS player smart enough to eclipse and mire inside a spawn of enemies first?

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SoilentGreen · 03-03-2011 11:49 AM

Even with Eclipse you'll run into the awesomeness that is diminished returns.

PC_guy · 03-03-2011 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

I dunno. Is the WS player smart enough to eclipse and mire inside a spawn of enemies first?

doesn't matter. the damage buff would get DR'd down to nothing along with the eclipse. they would eventually fade anyway.

PB's attacks are much much more procable than WS are. BU is more consistant than mire, they've got +hp which is the least hit thing in pvp by DR along with a heal. not to mention you'd have nothing to summon a pet from.

there is absolutely no situation were given equal builds, the WS wins. ever. period.

granted both are pretty bad to pvp with. PBs are only good if you have an vast amount of cash to pump into it. were as a WS could never be made decent.

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Mod_Noc · 03-03-2011 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

I dunno. Is the WS player smart enough to eclipse and mire inside a spawn of enemies first?

I should have mentioned it would be an arena match so it can be even and NPC's will not jump in.

Mod_Noc · 03-03-2011 12:29 PM

Even if the WS uses procs, focuses on single target attacks and gets Aidself would it be even?

Dechs Kaison · 03-03-2011 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoilentGreen

Even with Eclipse you'll run into the awesomeness that is diminished returns.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC_guy

doesn't matter. the damage buff would get DR'd down to nothing along with the eclipse. they would eventually fade anyway.

Mire I'll buy, but Eclipse? A well slotted eclipse takes five targets to reach 85% resist from nothing, and it has a target cap of 16. Maybe I'm underestimating diminishing returns, but I'd think that 16 targets would still be enough to bring the WS up to 85% resist. Also, diminishing returns doesn't affect duration, which will be 90 seconds. I don't know how long PvP duels usually go, but I'd assume it's less than 90 seconds.

Defense may not amount to a hill of beans in PvP, but resist always works.

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Originally Posted by PC_guy

there is absolutely no situation were given equal builds, the WS wins. ever. period.

The PB has a lot of clear advantages, that much is certain. Regardless, I don't think it's impossible for a WS to win.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mod_Noc

I should have mentioned it would be an arena match so it can be even and NPC's will not jump in.

Yeah, in that case, WS has no chance.

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SoilentGreen · 03-03-2011 01:00 PM

you are underestimating diminished returns...your resists won't get all that high even with a full Eclipse buff.

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PC_guy · 03-03-2011 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

Mire I'll buy, but Eclipse? A well slotted eclipse takes five targets to reach 85% resist from nothing, and it has a target cap of 16. Maybe I'm underestimating diminishing returns, but I'd think that 16 targets would still be enough to bring the WS up to 85% resist. Also, diminishing returns doesn't affect duration, which will be 90 seconds. I don't know how long PvP duels usually go, but I'd assume it's less than 90 seconds.

Defense may not amount to a hill of beans in PvP, but resist always works.

The PB has a lot of clear advantages, that much is certain. Regardless, I don't think it's impossible for a WS to win.

Yeah, in that case, WS has no chance.

Ws damage is too low to take out a b with 2 heals and + hp. It would easily outlast both mire and eclipse and it's impossible to get either perma in pvp. The only chance a ws has a chance is in nova and even then the pb would win because the attacks are easier to proc slot. Ws can't heal or buff in a duel. It's got no chance.

A ws is literally the worst AT you can pvp with /thread

Even if you could get a situation were you could get a full mire. Worst case, you just wait for it to drop and get an easy kill or the pb has the ability to slot enough unresisted procs to take down something with only 1500-1600 hp if you slot for it. Ws can't heal. Doesn't have enough damage. And doesnt have enough hp to outlast a pb

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_Dawun_ · 03-03-2011 03:14 PM

Simple answer: A PB will always beat a WS 1v1 when the build costs and player skill levels are even.

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SoilentGreen · 03-03-2011 03:55 PM

If the WS were able to slow the PB enough with the blasts from nova, it might give him enough time to slow down the incoming damage and heals enough to get a victory every so often...theoretically.

_Dawun_ · 03-03-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SoilentGreen

If the WS were able to slow the PB enough with the blasts from nova, it might give him enough time to slow down the incoming damage and heals enough to get a victory every so often...theoretically.

I've tested the stacking of WS slows in pvp and DR kills them too much to be that significant. Players that are worried about slows can always add a winter's gift to counter it. In a nova battle the PB could be sitting on a lot more HP with essence boost and still have another heal to spare. You can add more procs to PB attacks so a PvP PB build would probably hit harder. The PB can always drop nova for a moment to heal but the WS is going to have to enter melee to get their heals.

If the PB is smart, then they will be evading/blasting and they would be kiting with Incandescent strike. I really can't see a PB giving a WS a lot of chances to heal. The WS might score a free heal if they used the ranged stun or starless step but that's it. A WS victory over a PB would be a matter of player error.

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CrazyJerseyan · 03-03-2011 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mod_Noc

Could a Warshade ever beat a Peacebringer in a one vs one PvP match if both players have equal PvP skills?

What everyone else has said. The factors that make a WS such an awesome beast in PvE also gimp it in PvP...add in the current PvP mechanics and even a higher skilled player on a WS shouldn't be able to beat a lower skilled player on a PB.

I'd even go so far to say that if you have 3 PvPers of equal skill, 1x PB should be able to beat 2x WSs more times than not.

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IronAlex · 03-14-2011 10:56 AM

i actually fought a shade a couple of days ago 1 vs 1 in rv.. it was no contest.. i didnt even need to switch to dwarf.. and he had to stay in dwarf almost the whole fight.. and after he died he use Stygian return and switch to dwarf and i killed him again.. my life barely moved beyond a quarter...

i told him if he wanted to pvp with a kheld just make a pb ... and gave him my ws build for pve..

ws = way better in pve
pb = way better in pvp

of the two...

ps. also it didnt help that im sitting on 1600 hp without dwarf and essence boost.. and i have 2-3 attack procs in each attack.. and achielles heel.. there is really no contest between the two.

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Mercury_Down · 03-16-2011 01:45 PM

WS are the wost PVP toon ever. PBs are middle of the road in getting kills but difficult to kill. I've tried coming up with a decent WS PVP build and really the only thing that works is to go nova in zones and switch out to phase when anything attacks you. Arena? No way.

Timeshadow · 03-16-2011 04:31 PM

This topic's piqued my interest. I've been interested in PvPing on my PB for quite a while now. Anyone have any tips on how to build? I'm hearing a lot about damage procs and heals but I'm hazy on the specifics.

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Not_PC · 03-16-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Timeshadow

This topic's piqued my interest. I've been interested in PvPing on my PB for quite a while now. Anyone have any tips on how to build? I'm hearing a lot about damage procs and heals but I'm hazy on the specifics.

The character's second build is a scrapped attempt at high global recharge so I've got plenty of valuable IOs I can strip and sell to increase my budget.

building pbs for pvp is very pointless because your going to put in more money than you would building anything else for pvp and get a minimal return from it. not to mention pvp is broken.

i think soto had a human build that is floating around that is crazy expensive. basically all the attacks were proc/nuc slotted and all the res/heal powers used glad armors and pana's for HP buffs.

the easiest thing to do is slot nova for doing damage and dropping out to heal(while still slotting for HP) since most of the attacks have a higher range and still do some ok damage. but flying in zone is very risky.

in this specific situation, the pb wins hands down because WS are just that bad in pvp, not because pbs are that good in pvp. they just kind of happened to have all the stuff that was least hit by i13.

IronAlex · 03-17-2011 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Not_PC

building pbs for pvp is very pointless because your going to put in more money than you would building anything else for pvp and get a minimal return from it. not to mention pvp is broken.

i think soto had a human build that is floating around that is crazy expensive. basically all the attacks were proc/nuc slotted and all the res/heal powers used glad armors and pana's for HP buffs.

the easiest thing to do is slot nova for doing damage and dropping out to heal(while still slotting for HP) since most of the attacks have a higher range and still do some ok damage. but flying in zone is very risky.

in this specific situation, the pb wins hands down because WS are just that bad in pvp, not because pbs are that good in pvp. they just kind of happened to have all the stuff that was least hit by i13.

Well PBs are way better off than melee toons in post i13 pvp imho.. my pb is the most versatile toon i have now.. i dont like playing my blaster.. and all my current melee toons are now obsolete, and until i get my dom or my kin scrap up, my pb is my only hope of fun in pvp.

My build is not all that expensive either.. Its a copy of Mecury Dawn's build (which is really expensive.) I took his build and made the cheaper versions.. it has about 200 less hp.. and about 150 less recharge, heals are a lil weaker, and weaker dmg procs. but it gets the job done.. I will post my build but, if you want his pm him directly.

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Big_Soto · 03-17-2011 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not_PC

building pbs for pvp is very pointless because your going to put in more money than you would building anything else for pvp and get a minimal return from it. not to mention pvp is broken.

i think soto had a human build that is floating around that is crazy expensive. basically all the attacks were proc/nuc slotted and all the res/heal powers used glad armors and pana's for HP buffs.

the easiest thing to do is slot nova for doing damage and dropping out to heal(while still slotting for HP) since most of the attacks have a higher range and still do some ok damage. but flying in zone is very risky.

in this specific situation, the pb wins hands down because WS are just that bad in pvp, not because pbs are that good in pvp. they just kind of happened to have all the stuff that was least hit by i13.

Yes my PB's build is mad expensive; however, I did not pay for the IO's since it was given to me by a buddy that quit the game. You know when someone says that they are quitting and you ask "Can I Haz YouR Stuff"? Well one time it actually worked for me! o.O I dont think it is a waste of IO's since every time Log into the game that is the first character I log on as. I did make a Rad/Energy Blaster and tried to make it as close to my PB as possible and it is fun if I want quicker kills, but it dies way faster for my playstyle. I just enjoy fight people with an AT that is not the FoTM and that is not overplayed in PvP zones.

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CrazyJerseyan · 03-17-2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Not_PC

building pbs for pvp is very pointless because your going to put in more money than you would building anything else for pvp and get a minimal return from it. not to mention pvp is broken.

i think soto had a human build that is floating around that is crazy expensive. basically all the attacks were proc/nuc slotted and all the res/heal powers used glad armors and pana's for HP buffs.

the easiest thing to do is slot nova for doing damage and dropping out to heal(while still slotting for HP) since most of the attacks have a higher range and still do some ok damage. but flying in zone is very risky.

in this specific situation, the pb wins hands down because WS are just that bad in pvp, not because pbs are that good in pvp. they just kind of happened to have all the stuff that was least hit by i13.

The post is about WSs versus PBs, not PBs compard to Blasters/Dominators etc in PvP. Yeah, you can play a Psi/Em Blaster like everyone else if money is tight. Like Big Soto said, I rather not use the same builds as most of the population.

I added a lot of +range and procs to my PB and get plenty of kills from 170ft blasts in Nova form. It works fine; I get way more kills than deaths and only worry about webnaders once in awhile. With 3 heals and a built in phase, I don't even sweat webnaders much.

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Not_PC · 03-17-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan

The post is about WSs versus PBs, not PBs compard to Blasters/Dominators etc in PvP.

except that the quoted post was about pbs in pvp/builds.