Depends on what you're farming.
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Well, you want an attack power set that has lots of area of effect attacks.
It also depends on what enemies you have for your farm. With Willpower if you can get a Council type map they will not be able to hurt you. Same with Rikti. You obviously want to go up against enemies you have little to fear.
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Because farming is about minimizing risk and maximizing kills over time, you can get away with the less sturdy builds that emphasize offense. I'm personally a fan of Fire/Fire/Pyre, but Shield/ or even Elec/ would put out more damage than Willpower (and if you're choosing your farm, you won't need Willpower's durability advantage). For secondaries, /Fire or /Elec or /SS are probably the best bets. If you plan to face bosses, /Elec might be less desirable, as it has somewhat less single-target focus than the other two. If you fight bosses, remember to slot and use your Tier 1 attack for Bruising.
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fire/fire is the best for it.
Agree with the above. Fire/Fire/Pyre will farm pretty much anything at X8.
Fire/SS/Pyre is best for it.
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There's an awful lot of Smashing Res on Mobs out there, which is why Fire gets my vote, plus the synergy (damn corporate speak) of Fire/Fire/Pyre and FE+BU.
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Originally Posted by MrLiberty
Fire/SS/Pyre is best for it.
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It's really all about what you're farming. a WP/FM would great for Rikti Farming (which you get Vanguard Merits on top of that). But are you farming AE or normal missions? In AE, you can make a farm for any toon. I have a Stone/Fire tanker that I farm(I know..Granite farming...oxymoron right?) with in AE. All the enemies are claws and do pure smashing/lethal damage, so I just ignore them. If you're doing the normal Behemoth/Axis farms, the WP might not be in your favor.
I my general experience though, Fire/fire/Pyre or Shield/Elec are the best I've seen when it comes to handling x8 mobs with ease. I rolled up a Fire/fire/Pyre myself, he's only at level 38 right now. But, I can do any AE fire farm with ease and the behemoth farm is a joke ^_^
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Depends what you're farming. Fire/Fire/Pyre is a great all-around farmer - I run mine on x8 and just do whatever I feel like, and it usually works out. IF you're going to farm specific missions, though, Fiery Aura's best farm map is the Demon farm, but the demons resist Fiery Melee pretty heavily, so SS or Mace are better options. SS has Rage, of course, but if you don't like Rage crashes in your farming, War Mace has plenty of AoE and doesn't do Fire damage or crawl against bosses.
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Originally Posted by sturm375
There's an awful lot of Smashing Res on Mobs out there, which is why Fire gets my vote, plus the synergy (damn corporate speak) of Fire/Fire/Pyre and FE+BU.
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Fire/SS/Mu.
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Nice, thanks for the suggestions. I think I will do Fire/Fire on my build. Can anyone list the arc #s of some of the best fire AE farm missions? This has been a great help!
Does it have to be a tank?
Brutes may be faster (if slightly less safe).
I finally got around to timing my fire/fire/pyre vs my ss/fire/mu brute the same fire farm map at 2/8, and the brute was about 15% faster. He requires a bit more thinking (and purple insp combining) but sometimes that's a good thing if you don't want to fall asleep. The tank plays a bit more facerollish. Unfortunately I don't have a fire/ss/mu tank for that data point. Worth noting that it wasn't even worth the time trying on my my level shifted elec/shield brute...much slower.
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Ive been farming for a long time now, and i use my 2 tanks. My main one which i use is my Ice Armor / Ele / Fire Tnk. I have him fully set, hes soft-capped, and can reach up to 90-95% S/L Def with Energy Absorbption. He Also has 66% Recharge from the sets i have, and this is including 4 LOTG Recharges, and im working on my 5th now. I never die on this guy and i can solo +4 x8 without any issues at all, and having my Hoarfrost coming back enough time to hit the Hit Points cap. I Also use the Knockdown/down +Recharge prot in my Thunderstrike, and it hits very often, so with Hasten and my set bonuses, plus that, i have 233% recharge for 5 seconds, normaly sitting at 133%. Another thing, if your on a team with a Emp Def, Adrenline Boost ups your recharge by 100% I beleive, and then if you team with a Kin, theres the Speed boost. ONLY thing which really can kill my ice tank is psi damage. For my second tank, hes a Fire/SS/Fire tnk. I use the council farm or homemade AE Fire farms. His damage output is amazing, with the Rage. Fiery Embrace + Rage + Burn + Foot Stomp, there pretty much dead. I Also have a +Recharge prot in my foot stomp to help my stuff come back quicker. Hes also setted out, and i can have up to 2 Rages on my own, or 3 with SB. Hes not as strong as my Ice/Ele, and seems like my Ice/Ele puts out more damage, but could just be me. I dont have a whole lot to say about my fire/ss just because im to busy with my ice/ele tank. I like him alot more.
My dad owns 2 Fire/Fire Tanks, only one which is IOed to the balls, and i do play his account all the time and i use his Fire tank. With it, i farm this one fire farm. The damage is awesome too, having Fiery Embrace and Build Up, pop 1 of them or 2 before a grp, jump in, Fire Circle Sword, Combustion, and there also pretty much dead. What i do is pop build u p or fiery embrace, use fire circle sword - combustion then i use the build or fiery embrace whichever i didnt use, and do the same thing, FCS, Combustion. Dead. Overall, i think you would love Ice/Ele Tank if you can afford to soft-cap him, with fire tanks, you cant soft-cap(45% DEF) and fire tanks can only reach from 30-34%. As iv seen. Hope this helps!
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For NON-AE farming, I can see how lots of other combos would work better than fire armor/X, but IMHO fire armor + SS or fire are the kings of AE farming. It takes me 7-9 minutes to hit the ticket cap - and my farmers aren't even uber, I've seen players with faster times.|
Originally Posted by MachineSlave
My dad owns 2 Fire/Fire Tanks, only one which is IOed to the balls, and i do play his account all the time and i use his Fire tank. With it, i farm this one fire farm. The damage is awesome too, having Fiery Embrace and Build Up, pop 1 of them or 2 before a grp, jump in, Fire Circle Sword, Combustion, and there also pretty much dead. What i do is pop build u p or fiery embrace, use fire circle sword - combustion then i use the build or fiery embrace whichever i didnt use, and do the same thing, FCS, Combustion. Dead. Overall, i think you would love Ice/Ele Tank if you can afford to soft-cap him, with fire tanks, you cant soft-cap(45% DEF) and fire tanks can only reach from 30-34%. As iv seen. Hope this helps!
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It may depend on the maps you are using - for fire farms, capped defense on its own doesn't help much at all, because the volume of attacks is so high that without a frequent self heal, very high fire resists, or both, you'll still eat it. My capped, level shifted shield brute dies very fast - just due to that 5% of attacks that will still hit. Compare that to the fire brute & tank with 25-35% fire def + 90% fire resist and it's not even a competition. I've tried my ice tank as well (who is softcapped without EA) and he doesn't do any better - except on custom cold damage farms (which do exist), but his damage is so much lower than the fire armor users that I don't find it worth it.
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Anyone happen to have a list of the Arc IDs for any AE fire farms, s/l farms and maybe an ice farm map? Those would be an awesome help
My tanks have council farm, demon farm, family farm, freakshow farm, and i still can go +4 x8 with those...
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I went with a Fire/Fire/Pyre Brute for my fire farmer. I've got him outfitted with some hotkeys that combine ANY set of 3 small or medium inspirations into Damage inspirations and then one to pop any Damage inspiration each time it's pressed and I keep pressing those all the time.
The extra damage from Fury, Fiery Embrace, Build Up and constantly popping damage inspirtations (I almost always have 3+ red insps active) greatly increases damage and thus killing speed. He's almost never under 200% Damage Bonus after the first group (which boosts Fury up to about 70% really quickly) and usually hovers around 280-300%. My record was once he got up to 563% Damage Bonus all by himself.
Doing the Demon Farm is fairly easy at +3 x6 right now. On a Ticket farm, I run +3 x7. I'm waiting to go to +4 x8 until I can get some more IO Set Defense Bonuses slotted. His current Defenses are only about 13% right now. It can get a little hairy that low when fighting a double-boss group.
One Question: What Alpha Slot would all of you recommended? I'm starting out with the Cardiac Slot since with all the AE attacks this character just burns through endurance so fast even Consume can't keep up. With Cardiac Endurance/Resist, I still get some times where End is really low and Consume hasn't quite recharged yet.
I'm trying to decide on which powersets I should take to be able to solo farm x8 maps. Right now I started a Willpower/Fiery Melee build but I was told it wouldn't be a good idea for what I would like to accomplish. Any recommendations?