Stealth Proc compatability


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What other forms of Stealth does the proc work with/not work with (whichever list is shorter)?

I suppose it's naive to wonder if there's an in-game way to check this.


 

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It works with every other form of stealth.

Now, there are in-game limits to Stealth, which might mean that if you're already at the Stealth cap, then it won't have any effect, but the Stealth procs work with all in-game forms of stealth.


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Stealth procs are exclusive. Once you slot one, you can't slot more in your build (ex. one in hover/fly and one in sprint).

Combining a stealth proc with a stealth-granting power is good enough to never be noticed by all NPCs who don't have perception buffs. Devices' Cloaking Device power does not add much stealth, so I would doubt its effectiveness for obtaining complete invisibility to critters. Super Speed is a popular choice for combining with a stealth proc because most people get Hasten.


 

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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down View Post
But you can only have ONE of the stealth procs in a build as it is a Unique IO.
We tend to call it "exlusive" as it's more than just unique (no other unique IOs block the slotting of differently named unique IOs)


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Originally Posted by Syntax42 View Post
Devices' Cloaking Device power does not add much stealth, so I would doubt its effectiveness for obtaining complete invisibility to critters.
Devices Cloaking Device gives the same amount of stealth as Super Speed. Additionally, it doesn't completely suppress, giving 15' even when you attack.

Stealth and Perception wiki page


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Originally Posted by StarGeek View Post
Devices Cloaking Device gives the same amount of stealth as Super Speed. Additionally, it doesn't completely suppress, giving 15' even when you attack.

Stealth and Perception wiki page
After looking it up on City of Data, Super Speed gives 35ft which is suppressed in combat. Cloaking Device gives 35ft, and 20ft is suppressed in combat. My confusion originated from Mids' only showing 15ft in the power info tab.

Having stealth that doesn't suppress when in combat does not really have any practical advantage. Once critters are aware of your presence, no amount of stealth will help you avoid getting attacked.


 

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Originally Posted by Syntax42 View Post
Having stealth that doesn't suppress when in combat does not really have any practical advantage. Once critters are aware of your presence, no amount of stealth will help you avoid getting attacked.
You are incorrect in that. That little bit of stealth, especially in conjunction with smoke grenade, means you can fight one spawn even though another is close by or you can click a glowie without fear.


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Also, that suppression includes clicking glowies, which doesn't necessarily mean you have aggro at that point. If you can click glowies and maintain stealth, you don't have to worry about clearing the nearby spawn if you don't want to.


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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper View Post
Also, that suppression includes clicking glowies, which doesn't necessarily mean you have aggro at that point. If you can click glowies and maintain stealth, you don't have to worry about clearing the nearby spawn if you don't want to.
Are you sure the non-supersede bit is so even when clicking glows? Iirc cloak of shadows also has the unsurpressed bit but still stealth drops to 0 on clicking.


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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post
Are you sure the non-supersede bit is so even when clicking glows? Iirc cloak of shadows also has the unsurpressed bit but still stealth drops to 0 on clicking.
Hmmm... you could be right. I always use smoke grenade as well when clicking glowies like that, so it could just be the -perception from that power.


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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post
Are you sure the non-supersede bit is so even when clicking glows?
Yes:
+15 StealthRadius for 0.75s
Effect does not stack from same caster
You still get 15ft stealth even when clicking glowies. Of course, the stealth you stack it with will probably suppress, so you'll need to be 30ft away (at least) to not draw aggro.


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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper View Post
Yes:
+15 StealthRadius for 0.75s
Effect does not stack from same caster
You still get 15ft stealth even when clicking glowies. Of course, the stealth you stack it with will probably suppress, so you'll need to be 30ft away (at least) to not draw aggro.
Just checked Red Tomax, and that is interesting - the dark armor stealth does list the mission-click supression, but that's it (so even in combat you've 35 feet of stealth).

Seems odd the left Cloaking Device with glowie-stealth.


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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post
Just checked Red Tomax, and that is interesting - the dark armor stealth does list the mission-click supression, but that's it (so even in combat you've 35 feet of stealth).

Seems odd the left Cloaking Device with glowie-stealth.
CoD (and EnA's Energy Cloak) aren't suppressed at all by combat, and are on much tougher archetypes than Cloaking Device. And CD loses over half its stealth when it attacks, so keeping a little when you click glowies seems fair enough to me.


 

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Originally Posted by Syntax42 View Post
Stealth procs are exclusive. Once you slot one, you can't slot more in your build (ex. one in hover/fly and one in sprint).

Combining a stealth proc with a stealth-granting power is good enough to never be noticed by all NPCs who don't have perception buffs. Devices' Cloaking Device power does not add much stealth, so I would doubt its effectiveness for obtaining complete invisibility to critters. Super Speed is a popular choice for combining with a stealth proc because most people get Hasten.

Stacking Cloaking Device and stealth proc does make you invisible.

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Originally Posted by Syntax42 View Post
Having stealth that doesn't suppress when in combat does not really have any practical advantage. Once critters are aware of your presence, no amount of stealth will help you avoid getting attacked.
It does have practical advantage in few cases.

For example, I can stand right next to arachnos while destroying cables during 1st mission of STF and they wouldn't even blink.


 

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Grant Invisiblity from empowerment station and Midnight Visage temp power don't suppress even when you clicking glowies. Also Midnight Visage is acessible during MO runs.


 

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Originally Posted by NordBlast View Post
Grant Invisiblity from empowerment station and Midnight Visage temp power don't suppress even when you clicking glowies. Also Midnight Visage is acessible during MO runs.
Group Invisibility, as well. And Superior Invisibility only suppresses when you click a glowie. (And the only AT which can get Superior Invisibility gets hardcapped stealth from it.)


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