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I think it's 25, but don't take that as gospel. |
Originally Posted by mousedroid
1) Has anyone determined how many A-merits are needed to buy a purple recipe?
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I haven't tried as a vigilante or rogue, so I can't confirm one way or the other on that.
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Purples seem to be 20 each. |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I think it's 25, but don't take that as gospel.
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PVP recipes are 25-35 depending on recipe.
Though the OP can just go to Atlas Park or Cap, enter Fort Trident or the Crucible, and look for him/herself.
Can I expand a little on this questioning here?
If I started as a villain and move to rogue, I can still enter my base through any portal, like say, through the base portal outside the tram in Talos.
If I move from Rogue to hero, can I not enter that base at all? Or can I go in and just not use base storage and base teleporters (to the rogue isles)? Can I still use my personal storage and the base invention table?
I am assuming when you switch from rogue to hero, and then you use the O-portal, it takes you to the heroside ouroborus correct? I mean, yeah it would have to or else you would be stuck there.
If I move from rogue to hero, and I am the villain base leader, do I get automatically demoted to peon? Or am I kicked from the VG group altogether? What exactly happens? If I go from hero to vigilante, do I get base rights back? Including leadership rank?
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Vigilantes count as Heroes. Rogues count as Villains. If your SG is Hero, you can use the base as a Vigilante. There are other restrictions on Hero/Villain that use those rules, like Ouroboros and certain missions.
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The problem with this suggestion is, it will not show me the "price" of things I do not have enough merits to purchase.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Though the OP can just go to Atlas Park or Cap, enter Fort Trident or the Crucible, and look for him/herself.
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Part of the reason for my first question was that I have been considering turning my main villain into a rogue, partly because it fits her thematically, and partly to get some of the heroside badges, since she is one of my two badge characters. However, she is the leader of her VG, and second highest prestige-earner, and while I know I could promote another of my toons to take her place, I'd rather her not loose the leadership role at all, or the prestige count she has tallied. So that's really my question, I guess - can a Rogue lead and earn prestige for a VG?
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From reading the reports of others on these forums, it sounds like if you started out as a Villain and you use an O-Portal, once you get to O-town, you can only exit to the Isles. Likewise if you start as a hero, and go redside, you'll only get the Oro exit options to Paragon City. Not sure if this is only for the two middle alignments though, or if it's still true if you go completely to the other side.
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Originally Posted by Largo
I am assuming when you switch from rogue to hero, and then you use the O-portal, it takes you to the heroside ouroborus correct? I mean, yeah it would have to or else you would be stuck there.
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You should be seeing the a-merit cost if you can see the recipe at all. if you can't there's a little menu on the bottom right corner of the screen with a radio button for "Hide recipes missing ingrediants" make sure that isn't selected.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
The problem with this suggestion is, it will not show me the "price" of things I do not have enough merits to purchase.
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I already clicked that button, but it didn't show me anything that cost more than the two merits I had accumulated. Yes, I am a long way off from buying a purple recipe, I just wanted to know how long of a way off I am.
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Originally Posted by The Grim Heaper
You should be seeing the a-merit cost if you can see the recipe at all. if you can't there's a little menu on the bottom right corner of the screen with a radio button for "Hide recipes missing ingrediants" make sure that isn't selected.
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Villain - limited to the isles, gets villain ouroboros zone.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
From reading the reports of others on these forums, it sounds like if you started out as a Villain and you use an O-Portal, once you get to O-town, you can only exit to the Isles. Likewise if you start as a hero, and go redside, you'll only get the Oro exit options to Paragon City. Not sure if this is only for the two middle alignments though, or if it's still true if you go completely to the other side.
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Rogue - can visit hero side, but the o-portal leads them to villain side. it is not a fast travel option whilst running missions in paragon city.
Hero - limited to paragon city, gets hero ouroboros zone.
Vigilante - can visit villain side, but the o-portal leads them to hero side. it is not a good fast travel option whilst running missions in the rogue isles.
If you are one of those alignments that's how it applies to you. if you change alignment, your new alignment is the rule you use for ouroboros. it also does not matter who summoned the portal - entering it will shunt you to whichever version applies to your alignment.
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Not as long as you think, depending on how you choose to go about it. The devs price purples a lot higher than players do, and certain rare IO's a lot less. LotG +Recharge costs 2 A-Merits if you buy it from the devs, and goes for at least 150,000,000 inf if you sell it to a player. The purple recipes cost about ten times that much if you buy them from the devs, but only three times as much if you buy them from a player.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I already clicked that button, but it didn't show me anything that cost more than the two merits I had accumulated. Yes, I am a long way off from buying a purple recipe, I just wanted to know how long of a way off I am.
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In other words, you can use A-merits to buy LotG (or something similar), sell it on the market, and use the inf to buy purples. You should come out way ahead of where you would be if you used A-merits for purples.
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Go down to the menu button. Uncheck "Recipes Missing ingredients." Viola. It shows you everything up to your level, whether you have the merits or not.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
The problem with this suggestion is, it will not show me the "price" of things I do not have enough merits to purchase.
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I think we found our problem, if he's not within spitting range of 50, it probably won't show the purples.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Go down to the menu button. Uncheck "Recipes Missing ingredients." Viola. It shows you everything up to your level, whether you have the merits or not.
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"My inner mind has become a reality-cracking overgod. He torments me! Help!"
Yes, to create with merits you are limited to a maximum level for items of your own character level. If you aren't 50, you can't see purples. It doesn't have to do with how many merits you have on hand.
Simple test - use PvPOs instead, since they exist at lower levels than 50.
This is true in the Reward Merit interface as well, but it doesn't have purples or PvPOs in it.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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A general piece of economic advice, the inf/a-merit ratio on purple recipes is horrible. If you desire purples you will find it a lot faster to use your alignment merits to purchase high end rare recipes, sell them and use the inf to buy purples on the market.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I already clicked that button, but it didn't show me anything that cost more than the two merits I had accumulated. Yes, I am a long way off from buying a purple recipe, I just wanted to know how long of a way off I am.
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A level 25 LotG 7.5%s cost 2 alignment merits each and if you craft it you can generally sell for 200 million. Even the most expensive purple recipes are less than 600 million each so selling 3 LotG 7.5%s will give you enough inf to buy a purple recipe and only costs 6 alignment merits instead of 20.
OK, here's a screenshot of what I see when I click on the Trashcan. As you can see in the upper right hand corner, I am indeed lvl 50. When I click the "Hide" menu, I only get one option - recipes missing ingredients.
I must be doing something wrong, and it's probably something dumb, but I can't figure it out.
And thanks for all the responses. I don't know what lvl 50 LotG +7.5% sell for, but I'm guessing it's a lot less than lvl 25s, so I guess I need to start farming A-merits on some lowbie alts.
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You *are* doing something wrong.
Uncheck the 'recipes missing ingredients." That's what you're telling it to hide.
OK, that's weird. The problem I was apparently having was that when I click on Recipes in the list, it only showed two categories: IO Sets and Other. It wasn't until I monkeyed around with it, opening and closing menus and sliding the Level button up and down that the categories for PvP IO Sets and Very Rare IO Sets appeared.
Anyway, I have the answer to my first question, and thanks for that, but I'm still not 100% clear on my second question - can a Rogue be the leader of a VG?
ETA: Yeah it's what Bill said. Clicking the hide recipes button hid the categories too. Told you it was probably something dumb.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
ETA: Yeah it's what Bill said. Clicking the hide recipes button hid the categories too. Told you it was probably something dumb.
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If they'd change that "Hide..." to "Filters" (since it's used elsewhere, like crafting tables, too) and had it read "Hide recipes missing ingredients," it'd be clearer. (And for the tables, "Hide recipes I don't own.")
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To touch back on this, it is my understanding that you won't lose credit for the prestige you've earned, but you will lose leadership. One thing I'm wondering is if you will continue to earn prestige once you've fully moved over.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
Part of the reason for my first question was that I have been considering turning my main villain into a rogue, partly because it fits her thematically, and partly to get some of the heroside badges, since she is one of my two badge characters. However, she is the leader of her VG, and second highest prestige-earner, and while I know I could promote another of my toons to take her place, I'd rather her not loose the leadership role at all, or the prestige count she has tallied. So that's really my question, I guess - can a Rogue lead and earn prestige for a VG?
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Yeah.. the only think I buy with A-Merits (and i earn them almost as fast as one can), is LoTGs or Miracle Uniques (both sell about the same). Or, if I want something at a lower then max level that's just not available on the market (most frequently for me that would also be a LoTG or Miacle unique come to think of it). |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
A general piece of economic advice, the inf/a-merit ratio on purple recipes is horrible. If you desire purples you will find it a lot faster to use your alignment merits to purchase high end rare recipes, sell them and use the inf to buy purples on the market.
A level 25 LotG 7.5%s cost 2 alignment merits each and if you craft it you can generally sell for 200 million. Even the most expensive purple recipes are less than 600 million each so selling 3 LotG 7.5%s will give you enough inf to buy a purple recipe and only costs 6 alignment merits instead of 20. |
I think one exception to this may be the +3 Defense PvP IO.... that's selling off market for 3+ Billion. (in market you can bid 2 billion and then wait a month or 2...no thanks). I'll consider earning merits for that next time I want one. Mainly because I trust off-market trading and at that price it's about as cost effective as buying/selling LoTGs anyway.
Also, 200 million is being optimistic (he did say "generally")... They bounce around from 150-200. If you list for 200, it may not sell.
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If you notice, at the top of the A-Merit window is a slider.
While for random rolls it only affects the selection, on a direct purchase it does change the LEVEL. So set that slider to 25 and you'll get level 25 LotG Global Recharges
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Originally Posted by Tidbit
To touch back on this, it is my understanding that you won't lose credit for the prestige you've earned, but you will lose leadership. One thing I'm wondering is if you will continue to earn prestige once you've fully moved over.
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So if I'm reading this right, you are saying that a Rogue cannot be the leader of a Villain Group, but can(?) continue to earn prestige for the group?
And thanks for the tip about the slider and direct purchases, I didn't know that.
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Thats not true. I AM a rogue, and I lead a villain group, and continue to earn prestige for my villain group, even fighting on the blue side. But Im afraid if I continue on from Rogue to hero, I will lose everything.
All I really wanted to know is, if I do make the switch to hero, then I enter a base portal, will it let me into the villain base to use my personal storage and invention table? Or will I have to use the university and/or vanguard tables for crafting?
I already understand I wont be able to use the zone portals or the storage bins.
-Largo
Founder of A.G.O.N.Y. Supergroup on Victory
Member of Thought Sanctum VG on Victory
Member of St0rm Batallion SG on Guardian
I think you cannot enter the base.
And at the very least, you'll be demoted from Super Leader.
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1) Has anyone determined how many A-merits are needed to buy a purple recipe?
2) Does a one step shift in alignment (i.e. villain to rogue, or hero to vigilante) lock you out of your VG/SG, or does it take a shift of two or three steps before that happens?
(Sometimes, I wish there could be a Dev thumbs up button for quality posts, because you pretty much nailed it.) -- Ghost Falcon