Nostalgia Chick: Kirk vs. Picard

As I recall Picard did, in fact, die but then Q brought him back so he could continue making fun of him.

AKA Sisko's drinkin' buddies. He was clever enough to gradually kill the trio through alcohol poisoning, thus finishing the job that Kirk started and didn't have the cojones to follow through. Unfortunately, an albino and Alzheimers took care of them first.

Futurama Bender's Game also takes a nice shot at Archer in the demolition derby. George Takei's ship starts ramming Bakula's ship and George yells "WAY TO KILL THE FRANCHISE, BAKULA!"


Ironically thanks to the movie reboot, only Enterprise now exists in the revised timeline. TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager are all altered or eliminated.

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I remember that episode: Picard was part of an away team on a diplomatic visit and he got shot in the chest, damaging his cyber heart. He apparently flatlines and enters the white light and clouds and the angelic being takes Picard's hand in greeting and steps out of the clouds to be revealed as Q!

"Welcome to the afterlife, Jean-Luc. You're dead!"

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Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc all wore red uniforms starting in Star Trek 2, so they broke the redshirt curse before Picard.

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When your recurring nemesis is KHAN.....you don't NEED any other nemesis!

We are talking about a man who became so vengeful that he would chase Kirk across the universe if necessary until he felt vengeance was satisfied.

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Does Harry Mudd qualify as a nemesis or a nuisance?

Heh, imagine if a businessman-con man like Harry Mudd met up with the Ferengi?

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Scotty, Uhura, and Rand wore red shirts right from the very beginning and they did alright. Heck, Scotty managed to outlive everyone but Spock I believe.

Uhura had her memory and personality erased by Nomad and had to be reeducated and retaught everything, then still had to reassociate herself with herself as it were since technically she may not be quite the same person.

Scotty was killed and revived by Nomad. Granted he was in transporter stasis for 80 years so presumably he outlived everyone but Spock, but as I recall the final fates of Uhura, Chekov and Sulu have not been revealed in canon.

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Sure we can debate which Star Trek captain was better than the others but at least none of them ever had to stoop so low as to have to drink Baldrick's water.

Well if you're talking canon, as in what the TV shows showed...

Spock, Scotty and Bones are all alive in TNG.

Bones was in the very first episode of TNG, and I don't recall it ever saying he died in the show.

Now if we go into the books...Kirk (came back from that death in Generations), Scotty, Spock, Bones were all alive last time I checked in the TNG (not sure if the books got cancelled after the new movie...it's been awhile since I read Star Trek).

Haven't read Trek books in awhile, also they aren't canon and the Shatner novels were relegated to the "shatnerverse" of books so that other authors didn't have to acknowledge Kirk was back.

Admiral McCoy was only seen in the first TNG episode and was never mentioned again, but given that DeForrest Kelley is gone I'd say so is McCoy.

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James Doohan is dead too! So by that logic, Scotty's dead now!

So really, if you're talking about just what's in official canon (the TV shows)...Bones, Spock, Scotty are all alive and kicking!

Works for me. The Trek franchise is out of dylthium crystals anyway and needs to be shut down, imo.

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I loved the new Trek movie. My only thought is, why didn't they ever put that much effort into the other Trek Movies?

If that much effort was put into the other Trek movies, as they put into the latest one, they would of been box office gold like the last one.

People aren't tired of Trek, they just didn't want to see a 90min-120min TV episode.

Trek 2, 3, 4, 6 and First Contact weren't extended episodes. The rest of the "movies" on the other hand were.

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Yeah, I'd say all of the listed movies were better than the new Trek. Oh, the new movie was very pretty and had some decent acting but the story was badly written.

Well at least it gave Nimoy a last shot at being Spock so that he could retire.


As for this time-warp reboot that changed the Trek universe, the only possible way I can see undoing it and restoring the time would involve the Guardian of Forever. Perhaps a sequel could show that the alteration to the time stream has had bad effects on the universe or some such and that they need to restore the timeline.

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I've loved Leonard Nimoy's portrayal of Spock for several decades now. Spock is easily one of my most favorite Star Trek (or even sci-fi) characters of all time. But despite all that I think Abrams' decision to bend-over-backwards to force the story of his Star Trek movie to become absolutely silly just to pander to having Nimoy on the screen as Spock for 10 more minutes almost singlehandedly ruined the movie.

I loved pretty much everything about that movie that had NOTHING to do with its main plot - I think the new actors were great and their personal interactions and backstories were decent enough. It's just anytime anything in the movie had anything to do with the actual "story" of the movie it fell flat on its face. Hopefully Abrams will decide to actually come up with a new Star Trek story for the next movie that doesn't make me want to cry. Maybe he'll realize Star Trek != Star Wars as well but that might be a bit too much to hope for.

Of course this just puts them on par with the other non-red shirt wearing members of the crew. I mean Spock had his brain removed and McCoy actually managed to get himself killed on the shore leave planet of all places. Chekov got a mind-controlling worm in the ear and Sulu went running around the ship shirtless waving a sword around.

Given what we know about George Takei's personal life now do those scenes in that episode really seem -that- shocking?

I always liked that saucy bit of suggestive dialogue between Sulu and Uhura in that episode where he grabs her by the waist and says,"I'll save you fair maiden!" and she dismissively responds with, "Sorry, neither".

McCoy being killed and revived ranks up there with the Deus Ex Machina death/rebirth of Scotty by Nomad.

Spock's Brain.....we do not discuss that episode.

The fact that Chekov survived that thing in his ear when all others didn't.....ah the power of being a main character.

Ah just remembered for those that are interested: they just wrapped a comic miniseries titled KHAN: Ruling in H---. It shows how they setup after being left by Kirk, how things were at first, how they observed the destruction of Ceti Alpha 6 in their telescopes, the unrest among them and of course what Khan did about it all. Fun read.

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Well except for the "they would forgive him for it" part (Kahn wasn't big on forgiving - especally when spitting on you from hell's heart ) Kirk's greatest nemisis possesed those same traits.

Nope, Khan was completely twisted by the need for revenge. Good thing Kirk's superior experience trumped Khan's superior intelligence.

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Ah, but if Khan had dealt with Sisko, he would've just said, "My life is ruined, but upon further reflection I had it coming. Sorry I tried to take over your ship that one time."