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Show me where I said anything posted here was anything other than an opinion. You're projecting
Already did. Heck, you even replied to the post where I did.


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And?

You're not actually lvl 51. All it basicly does is give a boost to your damage, accuracy and control durations. It's just another set bonus.

Between regular set bonusses and team buffs I can't really say that I notice the difference all that much. Solo I only really notice it when going against +4's (who are now only +3) But I don't run that high usually anyway.
You are level 50 + 1 level = 51st level.
If you don't understand that the incarnate process is a new level cap process then you're probably willfully not wanting to acknowldge it, and there's no point dicussing it.


I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.

Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.

So sad to be ending ):

 

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It actually does a bit more than that, since it also effectively reduces enemy damage, accuracy, and control durations as well.
Yea, I know. Still just set bonuses.

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Emphasis added, because it's important to remember that for solo/small team, team buffs may be in limited supply.
I know, I solo/small team almost exclusively. Except for TF/SFs of course.
I notice the boost to my endurance usage (and range!) on my corruptor or recharge on my brute a lot harder than the level shift.


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Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
You are level 50 + 1 level = 51st level.
If you don't understand that the incarnate process is a new level cap process then you're probably willfully not wanting to acknowldge it, and there's no point dicussing it.
Yea, I see that there's little point in discussion with you.


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Already did. Heck, you even replied to the post where I did.
Can't find where I said that there was something other than an opinion in any post where I replied to you

I might be off my rocker, but I can still read


There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"

 

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a) This isn't copying anything from other MMOs. It's still DIFFERENT from how the other folks do it. It may still not be desirable to you, but that doesn't mean it's just a 'copy'.

b) The only thing that's being dismissed is your insanity being passed off as something rational.

Seriously, you're off your rocker. I'm an obligate soloer, for reasons I've expressed before, and I still think you're full of it. Not as full of it as some others, but pretty high up there.
I took my medication today. Maybe that's why I'm not quite that full of it


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I might be off my rocker, but I can still read
Perfect. Now try thinking as well. I know it can be hard to do simultaneously.

Post #441. Your opinion -- that is, what you think about what Arcanaville said -- is not backed by the facts -- that is, what Arcanaville actually wrote. Your opinion has no grounding upon which to stand. It was dead on arrival. It shuffled off this mortal coil as soon as it arrived. It has joined the choir invisible. It is, in fact, an ex-opinion.


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Perfect. Now try thinking as well. I know it can be hard to do simultaneously.

Post #441. Your opinion -- that is, what you think about what Arcanaville said -- is not backed by the facts -- that is, what Arcanaville actually wrote. Your opinion has no grounding upon which to stand. It was dead on arrival. It shuffled off this mortal coil as soon as it arrived. It has joined the choir invisible. It is, in fact, an ex-opinion.
Excuse me, but I did write about what she wrote. It just wasn't in a way that you approved of. I even summarized her post after you accused me of not reading it. What do you want? Direct quoting of every statement?

Shenanigans


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Excuse me, but I did write about what she wrote. It just wasn't in a way that you approved of. I even summarized her post after you accused me of not reading it. What do you want? Direct quoting of every statement?

Shenanigans
I'm just going to let this stand on its own. It is a beautiful punchline in its own right. I leave it to the reader to decide what the joke is.


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I'm just going to let this stand on its own. It is a beautiful punchline in its own right. I leave it to the reader to decide what the joke is.
Everyone who disagrees with you must be defective? Good


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What do you want? Direct quoting of every statement?
This is .. wow, dude.

No, man, we don't need you to quote everything, we just .. want what you say to have a BASIS in what other people are saying, and the facts surrounding the matter in THIS reality, not .. whatever version of things you're reading from in your private reality.


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Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.

 

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Everyone who disagrees with you must be defective? Good
What was it that was said about projecting, earlier?


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Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.

 

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Everyone who disagrees with you must be defective? Good
Certainly not!

At present it appears to be just you.


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What was it that was said about projecting, earlier?
Please, show me where I said something regarding the fitness of the poster in question?


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You are level 50 + 1 level = 51st level.
If you don't understand that the incarnate process is a new level cap process then you're probably willfully not wanting to acknowldge it, and there's no point dicussing it.
That does not make it the 51st level. Going from 49 to 50 is not the same as going from 50 to 50 with a level shift.

If you don't understand that, then you're probably willfully not wanting to acknowledge it, and there's no point discussing it.


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Originally Posted by Void_Huntress View Post
This is .. wow, dude.

No, man, we don't need you to quote everything, we just .. want what you say to have a BASIS in what other people are saying, and the facts surrounding the matter in THIS reality, not .. whatever version of things you're reading from in your private reality.
I used hyperbole because I was genuinely angry with the dismissive tone of this discussion. Show me where I missed reality? Was there an offramp somewhere?


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Show me where I missed reality?
Done it twice.


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That does not make it the 51st level. Going from 49 to 50 is not the same as going from 50 to 50 with a level shift.
It's close enough for me, and I'm not the only one that thinks so.

Seriously, this attempt to paint "I fight as if I were level 51" as something other than an "increase in level" baffles me. It really, truly baffles me. I honestly have no remote conception of how anyone actually convinces themselves it is true (other than maybe Arcanaville, who would probably admit she views the game through a vastly different lens from the majority of players - and I could probably still find the post where she said it's arguably better than a level, which really does not make the case any stronger.)

The level shift makes me level 51. It just does. No matter how many times you repeat "no it doesn't", it's still going to make me level 51. And not being able to be level 51 because I don't want to run a TF or some raid is unacceptable to me.


 

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Please, show me where I said something regarding the fitness of the poster in question?
Compliance.


Wherein BigFish disregards facts and dismisses someone categorically:
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Gracious man, blind hero worship isn't healthy for anyone there Chief
Wherein BigFish disregards facts and throws a correctly used word back in someone's face:
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Hypocrisy is a strange two way street, ain't it

There might be more, either here or elsewhere, but I think two examples suffices.


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Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.

 

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The level shift makes me level 51. It just does. No matter how many times you repeat "no it doesn't", it's still going to make me level 51. And not being able to be level 51 because I don't want to run a TF or some raid is unacceptable to me.
An important distinction here is that it is not "I fight as if I were level 51". This is a fundamental truth, and repeating "Yes, it is" doesn't make it so. A level shift leverages the Purple Patch rules, causing the penalties and benefits of conning higher or lower to change in magnitude.

If you were fighting as if level 51, you would have: More health, higher base duration of mez effects, higher base damage in attacks, and other benefits. And then ON TOP of these things, you would have the difference in level comparison, for the purple patch code.

Since we're ONLY getting the purple patch effects, it should pretty clear that it's not the same thing as going up a level.

I mean, seriously. "Being one level above your enemies has effects A through G. A level shift gives you effect D." How hard is this?


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Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.

 

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The level shift makes me level 51. It just does. No matter how many times you repeat "no it doesn't", it's still going to make me level 51. And not being able to be level 51 because I don't want to run a TF or some raid is unacceptable to me.
It does not make you level 51. It gives you some properties of a new level, but not all of them, and content can still be overcome without it.

"It's a new level" and "it's just set bonuses" are redefinitions designed to paint each side in the best possible light. It's something new, set in a different context from merely leveling up.


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Since we're ONLY getting the purple patch effects, it should pretty clear that it's not the same thing as going up a level.
Those purple patch effects are a very close approximation to the effects of increasing in level. I don't get more health, but enemies do less damage. My base damage doesn't increase, but my effective damage does. My base mez duration doesn't increase, but my effective duration does.

The only real difference? I don't have to move on to harder enemies to get the same rewards. Which is a big part of how it is "better" than a level.


 

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Compliance.


Wherein BigFish disregards facts and dismisses someone categorically:


Wherein BigFish disregards facts and throws a correctly used word back in someone's face:



There might be more, either here or elsewhere, but I think two examples suffices.
Once again; simply because I disagree with someone, dismiss a personal attack with a milder personal attack or point out hypocrisy (none of which have to do with calling someone a mental deficient or word usage) have zero bearing upon whether something is a fact or an opinion.


There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"

 

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Once again; simply because I disagree with someone, dismiss a personal attack with a milder personal attack or point out hypocrisy (none of which have to do with calling someone a mental deficient or word usage) have zero bearing upon whether something is a fact or an opinion.
When you're fighting battles on three different fronts, it's best not to get them confused.


De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.