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Actually regardless if you liked the show or not Xena was probably the most successful "Wonder Woman clone" series since the actual Lynda Carter series. Other shows like Buffy:tVS, La Femme Nikita and Alias were very vaguely Wonder Woman-esque, but Xena probably has come as close to Wonder Woman as we've seen so far.

Now I'm not suggesting a new Wonder Woman show made in 2011 would have to somehow copy what Xena did (assuming you could quantify that). I'm just suggesting if a show like Xena could last 6 seasons I really don't understand why someone couldn't figure out how to do that for Wonder Woman too.
Y'know... a new Wonder Woman series that encompassed several eras of human history might just work. Highlander and Forever Knight gave us the flashbacks to eras of the past that our hero lived in, a new Wonder Woman series could do something similar. She is a few thousand years old after all, and they could tweak the character history to indicate that she left her homeland several times over the centuries to fight evil in man's world.

Also yes I liked both series, but I am honest as to why


 

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Actually regardless if you liked the show or not Xena was probably the most successful "Wonder Woman clone" series since the actual Lynda Carter series. Other shows like Buffy:tVS, La Femme Nikita and Alias were very vaguely Wonder Woman-esque, but Xena probably has come as close to Wonder Woman as we've seen so far.

Now I'm not suggesting a new Wonder Woman show made in 2011 would have to somehow copy what Xena did (assuming you could quantify that). I'm just suggesting if a show like Xena could last 6 seasons I really don't understand why someone couldn't figure out how to do that for Wonder Woman too.
Yes, Lynda is Wonder Woman in the eyes of many. Finding someone that can perform in the role is one thing, finding someone that resembles Wonder Woman from the comics as well as possibly Lynda herself that could perform in the role.....well good luck with that part.

Finding a good script on top of all that.....yeah good luck with that. How many writers actually "get" the character of Wonder Woman and what she is supposed to stand for, vs. a writer that wants to make a movie that is a campy homage to the Lynda Carter series?


 

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Hey, if Batman could make a comeback from Adam West (which was HUGELY popular and was the major face of Batman for quite awhile)
It still is - it's the defining image of Batman to most people


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I don't think the Xena series helped much either. Fun show, but at times the camp level was rather high.

The Xena series also deserves the same question I have posed about the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman series, just exactly why did most people watch it?
I dunno, I actually thought the writing in Xena was pretty good given the constraints of episodic television most of the time. The mythology built up by the show was an interesting blend of pseudo-serious swords and sorcery stuff and weird anachronistic fourth wall-benders. The show did get weirder as time progressed, but it was not a bad show by any means.

Of course, I also watched Silk Stalkings so I'm not above blatant guilty pleasures either.


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Also yes I liked both series, but I am honest as to why
That's actually one of the more mysterious aspects behind the multi-decade saga of "why hasn't there been a new Wonder Woman TV show since the 70s". When you think about it a show about a curvy woman running around in a star-spangled bathing suit should pretty much sell itself to US TV audiences regardless if there's a good plot to it or not. How many years did Baywatch stay on TV translated into like 100 languages for audiences around the world?


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Yes, Lynda is Wonder Woman in the eyes of many. Finding someone that can perform in the role is one thing, finding someone that resembles Wonder Woman from the comics as well as possibly Lynda herself that could perform in the role.....well good luck with that part.

Finding a good script on top of all that.....yeah good luck with that. How many writers actually "get" the character of Wonder Woman and what she is supposed to stand for, vs. a writer that wants to make a movie that is a campy homage to the Lynda Carter series?
The important thing is to remember that the camp was a reflection of the period, and not a critical aspect of the show. There was otherwise nothing specifically "wrong" with the interpretation of WW in that show.

I look at it like I look at the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno tv Hulk. In many ways it was nothing like the comic book at the time, but in some ways it was also better than the comic book: the comic book took years to catch up to the show in terms of being taken seriously. Do I care that Banner's name was changed to David? Nope: could care less. It was also late-70s melodrama, and just like late 70s camp wouldn't play today, late-70s melodrama wouldn't play today either. But that doesn't mean there isn't something to trying to capture some of the essence of that show for the benefit of the many people for whom that is their first and last iconic contact with that character.

Its a question of knowing what to pay respects to.


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You don't think Wonder Woman and Make up are a good match and you want to use Baywatch as the template for a Wonder Woman television show?

DO you realize how much casual sex those girls on that show had? You don't think WW acting like a woman of questionable morals is going against the "70 years" of history she's built up as some sort of role model?


 

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The important thing is to remember that the camp was a reflection of the period, and not a critical aspect of the show. There was otherwise nothing specifically "wrong" with the interpretation of WW in that show.

I look at it like I look at the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno tv Hulk. In many ways it was nothing like the comic book at the time, but in some ways it was also better than the comic book: the comic book took years to catch up to the show in terms of being taken seriously. Do I care that Banner's name was changed to David? Nope: could care less. It was also late-70s melodrama, and just like late 70s camp wouldn't play today, late-70s melodrama wouldn't play today either. But that doesn't mean there isn't something to trying to capture some of the essence of that show for the benefit of the many people for whom that is their first and last iconic contact with that character.

Its a question of knowing what to pay respects to.
Best thing about the old HULK tv show was the Jeckyl-Hyde dynamic that is supposed to be part of what the character is based on when created by Stan and Jack. Most people just think "HULK SMASH" which is not the correct interpretation of the Hulk.

Unfortunately the rest of the HULK tv series has not withstood the test of time very well, and here's hoping the upcoming THOR movie thoroughly erases the Viking "thor" from the Hulk Returns TV movie. "OOOOOOODDDDDDIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!" Everytime I heard that I threw up in my mouth.

And yes, I know that the camp of the old WW series was part of the time. Similar to the level of humor in the old Greatest American Hero series. Now that is a series that has not withstood the test of time either.


 

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I dunno, I actually thought the writing in Xena was pretty good given the constraints of episodic television most of the time. The mythology built up by the show was an interesting blend of pseudo-serious swords and sorcery stuff and weird anachronistic fourth wall-benders. The show did get weirder as time progressed, but it was not a bad show by any means.

Of course, I also watched Silk Stalkings so I'm not above blatant guilty pleasures either.
Never said Xena was bad. There were many good aspects of the writing and of the show itself.

Just being honest as to what also appealed to me and likely to others that watched it


 

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That's actually one of the more mysterious aspects behind the multi-decade saga of "why hasn't there been a new Wonder Woman TV show since the 70s". When you think about it a show about a curvy woman running around in a star-spangled bathing suit should pretty much sell itself to US TV audiences regardless if there's a good plot to it or not.
One WOULD think so, but luckily times have changes and plots are expected nowadays

Also as pointed out previously, the Bionic Woman reboot/failure and disasters like Catwoman and Elektra have not helped.

Here's another question for the wisdom of the ages to ponder: which was worse; Catwoman or Elektra?


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How many years did Baywatch stay on TV translated into like 100 languages for audiences around the world?
No puns intended but I think a Wonder Woman/Baywatch comparison is an apples vs. oranges comparison.


 

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You don't think Wonder Woman and Make up are a good match and you want to use Baywatch as the template for a Wonder Woman television show?

DO you realize how much casual sex those girls on that show had? You don't think WW acting like a woman of questionable morals is going against the "70 years" of history she's built up as some sort of role model?
Obviously detecting Devil's Advocacy is not your strong suit.


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No puns intended but I think a Wonder Woman/Baywatch comparison is an apples vs. oranges comparison.
My last post applies here too.


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You don't think Wonder Woman and Make up are a good match and you want to use Baywatch as the template for a Wonder Woman television show?

DO you realize how much casual sex those girls on that show had? You don't think WW acting like a woman of questionable morals is going against the "70 years" of history she's built up as some sort of role model?

Don't think anyone said WW should act like the Baywatch ladies. All that's being compared is the "pretty women in skimpy outfit" aspect. And yes. That and slo-mo beach running are the only reason Baywatch was on as long and widespread as it was.


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Lucy Lawless would have been awesome as Wonder woman.
Many people talked about the possibility of that happening back in the "horse and buggy" days of the Interwebs 15 years ago.


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Many people talked about the possibility of that happening back in the "horse and buggy" days of the Interwebs 15 years ago.
Indeed, back in the days of Xena I could easily have seen her was Wonder Woman, but I think now that too much time has passed.

Unless they want to dip her into the CGI fountain of youth ala Kevin Flynn from TRON Legacy.


 

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The important thing is to remember that the camp was a reflection of the period, and not a critical aspect of the show. There was otherwise nothing specifically "wrong" with the interpretation of WW in that show.

I look at it like I look at the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno tv Hulk. In many ways it was nothing like the comic book at the time, but in some ways it was also better than the comic book: the comic book took years to catch up to the show in terms of being taken seriously. Do I care that Banner's name was changed to David? Nope: could care less. It was also late-70s melodrama, and just like late 70s camp wouldn't play today, late-70s melodrama wouldn't play today either. But that doesn't mean there isn't something to trying to capture some of the essence of that show for the benefit of the many people for whom that is their first and last iconic contact with that character.

Its a question of knowing what to pay respects to.
The 70s era Hulk and Wonder Woman shows were products of their time. Sure there were what we would consider now to be "cheesy" elements to them but that doesn't mean they were intrinsically bad shows. Consider this: we are still talking about these 35+ year old shows as relevant to an Internet forum thread in 2011 - there must be something about them that was lasting and significant. Even though Wonder Woman seems to have suffered from some kind of "media limbo" effect more than the other superheroes I think there are some good recent examples of other genre shows from that rough time period being re-imagined to work well for today's audiences.

For example the Abrams reboot of Star Trek was an obvious box office success. I thought the time travel plot of the movie was an utter mess but I think the new actors worked well in the roles and their interactions caught the spirit of the original show. Another example was the good reboot of Battlestar Galactica. It wasn't bad to take a show that only managed one season back in the late 70s (I pretend BSG 1980 doesn't exist) and turn it into a new multi-season franchise with spin-offs. I hope the "suits" in Hollywood will pay attention to shows like this (as well as the general success other superhero movies are having in the last few years) to encourage them to consider a "modernized" Wonder Woman movie or TV show for today. Hopefully her stint as a "makeup queen" won't hurt her chances for that too much.


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Indeed, back in the days of Xena I could easily have seen her was Wonder Woman, but I think now that too much time has passed.

Unless they want to dip her into the CGI fountain of youth ala Kevin Flynn from TRON Legacy.
I think there will come a time when movie producers will be able to apply the "Kevin Flynn from TRON Legacy" CGI treatment to older actors as easily and cheaply as they use simple makeup today. But as interesting as it would be to see Lucy Lawless finally make an appearance as Wonder Woman I think for the conceivable future any new Wonder Woman show would be better off saving that CGI expense by featuring another (preferably) unknown younger actress who could be discovered to make the role her own.

Now if they were to finally start making a new Wonder Woman TV show today I think it would definitely be cool to have Lucy Lawless involved in it in at least some capacity. Maybe make her another Amazon (Hippolyta even?) or a villain the new Wonder Woman could face. That would be a sight to see.


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The 70s era Hulk and Wonder Woman shows were products of their time. Sure there were what we would consider now to be "cheesy" elements to them but that doesn't mean they were intrinsically bad shows. Consider this: we are still talking about these 35+ year old shows as relevant to an Internet forum thread in 2011 - there must be something about them that was lasting and significant. Even though Wonder Woman seems to have suffered from some kind of "media limbo" effect more than the other superheroes I think there are some good recent examples of other genre shows from that rough time period being re-imagined to work well for today's audiences.

For example the Abrams reboot of Star Trek was an obvious box office success. I thought the time travel plot of the movie was an utter mess but I think the new actors worked well in the roles and their interactions caught the spirit of the original show. Another example was the good reboot of Battlestar Galactica. It wasn't bad to take a show that only managed one season back in the late 70s (I pretend BSG 1980 doesn't exist) and turn it into a new multi-season franchise with spin-offs. I hope the "suits" in Hollywood will pay attention to shows like this (as well as the general success other superhero movies are having in the last few years) to encourage them to consider a "modernized" Wonder Woman movie or TV show for today. Hopefully her stint as a "makeup queen" won't hurt her chances for that too much.
Relevancy of the old Hulk series = the Jeckyl/Hyde dynamic. I've heard they want to do a new series and I kind of cringe. However if the writers have enough of a backbone, maybe we'll get the grey hulk with the day/night transformation sequence for awhile instead of just "hulk smash!" And please, no red Hulk.

Star Trek did need a reboot, the time travel thing was ok but could have been a bit better. Also, about the only way to restore the timeline would be if the Guardian of Forever can lock onto alternate future timelines and send someone to stop Nero before he warps back in the first place, stopping Nero just as he arrives in the past would still cause some change to occur.

Also, if they had thought of it sooner, the Guardian of Forever would have been instrumental in undoing that stupid death of Kirk in Generations. But too much time has passed unless they use the CGI fountain of youth (and CGI slimfast) on Shatner.

New Galactica started strong, stayed strong until about half through Season 3, to me that is when things began to fall apart. Still it was nice reboot and way better then BSG 1980.

Still, if the writers full understand what Wonder Woman is all about and not just a babe in a swimsuit costume and if they can find a network with enough guts a new WW series could work.

Now if only Joss could reactivate Firefly all would be well. Also the Shepard's Tale was an interesting read.


 

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