Looking for a good solid scrapper build for Kat or BS
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Originally Posted by HiddenJackal
I can't decide what secondary to use.
I'm looking for something that's able to survive the latter TFs, either Inv, WP, or something along the lines. From what I understand, the devs are moving in a direction where the mobs more or less laugh at defensive based powersets. I'd prefer to go with something for Kat or BS. Any suggestions? |
The big bad in that arena is BS/sd. Sword and board go together supremely well, and should always be high on your list of options for a weapon scrapper.
Kat/wp is another top-shelf choice.
Moving to the less sturdy but much more deadly, /fire, /elec, or the old-school deadly combo of sword and /dark.
The resist sets gain enormously from either kat or bs, and all three have recharge base heals that add in a lot of goodness.
Last but not least, kat/inv has a lot of interesting synergies. I'm looking hard at one of those.
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Well, I'm very happy with my Katana/Dark. The 75% melee 74% lethal defense will help a lot with to-hit buffs, but defense debuffs are a big Achilles' heel. On the I17 version of this build, I carved through 11 praetorian AVs in a row, no temps no insps no deaths. I also beat Aeon's Army (AE mission) no temps no insps and maybe a dozen deaths. This I19 build should be even tougher, but no longer has sustainable endurance so isn't really in good shape for AV soloing. The very rare alpha slot should make it sustainable if I've calculated correctly, though.|
Originally Posted by HiddenJackal
Any suggestions?
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Depends on what you're after, though. My DPS is pretty ho-hum at about 180-185, my AoE leaves a lot to be desired, and no taunt aura means that I can get a lot of runners. Also - very expensive. There are much cheaper ways to hit the basic highlights of the build, though.
I basically don't task force, so I can't really say how well it would survive. My assumption is that it would survive quite well given what else it can survive, but it'll depend on the enemy. Maybe one of the people with a similar build can comment in that regard.
(Edit: Endurance may LOOK terrible, but I'm using the endurance alpha, so it really isn't. I very rarely hit Conserve Power. The only problem is very long sustained fights like AV soloing with no inspirations.)
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Oh, yeah, sword and board is an excellent choice. I didn't IO mine out, but like with my Katana/Dark, you can hit insane levels of melee and lethal defense if that's what you're after. Plus it'll do a lot better DPS and AoE than mine. Not as survivable (except under heavy defense debuffs), but probably plenty survivable for most purposes. I don't have a build, though.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
The big bad in that arena is BS/sd. Sword and board go together supremely well, and should always be high on your list of options for a weapon scrapper.
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Like I said I've definitely considered sword and board, but I'm kind of cautious as to how it will hold up against future TFs, i.e. Tin Mage and Apex. From what I've heard, a lot of the new content, AVs especially, aren't friendly towards those with defense based powersets, i.e. shield.
So I guess specifically I am looking for something that can be awesome with end game content, or at least survivable. I'd also definitely be up for MA, I have a 45 MA/Fire scrapper that I'm just leaving around due to survivability issues.
Awesome DPS is fine and all but I'm looking for something that won't faceplant immediately on higher end TFs, if that makes sense. A friend of mine told me how the Apex TF did a great job of tearing apart his BS/Shield scrapper. I'd like to avoid anything completely terrible like that if its possible on a scrapper.
On the other hand, if pretty much most scrappers will have trouble on the late game TFs...well, I could stick with the FM/Shield scrapper I have that just hit 32.
[EDIT]Actually, looking back, what I may do is continue to use the FM/Shield Scrapper, and have him as a general farming toon, and for TFs? Use my fire/rad corr, seeing as how there always seems to be a need for buffs and debuffs and its usually not that hard to find a scrapper around.
And I'm not going to lie, a flaming sword looks REALLY BADASS with a shield. I'll have to keep in mind an MA/Shield or BS/Shield for future use though. But for now? Looks like plasma sword it is.[/EDIT]
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Remember that Broadsword has Parry, so as long as you fit that in, you can at least bring your melee defence to absurd 60+% levels by stacking it, possibly offsetting any -def on melee range at least.|
Originally Posted by HiddenJackal
Like I said I've definitely considered sword and board, but I'm kind of cautious as to how it will hold up against future TFs, i.e. Tin Mage and Apex. From what I've heard, a lot of the new content, AVs especially, aren't friendly towards those with defense based powersets, i.e. shield.
So I guess specifically I am looking for something that can be awesome with end game content, or at least survivable. I'd also definitely be up for MA, I have a 45 MA/Fire scrapper that I'm just leaving around due to survivability issues. Awesome DPS is fine and all but I'm looking for something that won't faceplant immediately on higher end TFs, if that makes sense. A friend of mine told me how the Apex TF did a great job of tearing apart his BS/Shield scrapper. I'd like to avoid anything completely terrible like that if its possible on a scrapper. On the other hand, if pretty much most scrappers will have trouble on the late game TFs...well, I could stick with the FM/Shield scrapper I have that just hit 32. [EDIT]Actually, looking back, what I may do is continue to use the FM/Shield Scrapper, and have him as a general farming toon, and for TFs? Use my fire/rad corr, seeing as how there always seems to be a need for buffs and debuffs and its usually not that hard to find a scrapper around. And I'm not going to lie, a flaming sword looks REALLY BADASS with a shield. I'll have to keep in mind an MA/Shield or BS/Shield for future use though. But for now? Looks like plasma sword it is.[/EDIT] |
As for the choice between a BS/Shield and FM/Shield, the answer was simple for me - I made both!
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Werner that Endurance usage almost gave me a heart attack. If your Cardiac Alpha boost can mostly negate that, I am seriously impressed! I might have to try using some of the slotting in that build for my Dark/Dark.
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Werner...looks an interesting scrapper to make but how do you manage the end on him......im looking for a new project and he could be him
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I understand caution. But the point with sword and board is that you can pile on so much melee and lethal defense that the devs are unlikely to bust it. For that matter, if you're willing to sacrifice some other things, you could almost certainly get ranged and AoE to 59%, which I believe is the soft cap for tip mission Devouring Earth and for Battle Maiden. In other words, I think defense-based secondaries are likely to be perfectly viable even if the devs implement a lot of defense-busting measures, partially because the devs won't want to bust defense-based secondaries, only perhaps the people pushing other secondaries (like Dark Armor) up to the soft cap with massive IO investment. Or maybe it's all an incorrect idea in the first place, brought about only through a few specific examples that may not indicate an intentional pattern.|
Originally Posted by HiddenJackal
Like I said I've definitely considered sword and board, but I'm kind of cautious as to how it will hold up against future TFs, i.e. Tin Mage and Apex. From what I've heard, a lot of the new content, AVs especially, aren't friendly towards those with defense based powersets, i.e. shield.
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Originally Posted by HiddenJackal
And I'm not going to lie, a flaming sword looks REALLY BADASS with a shield. I'll have to keep in mind an MA/Shield or BS/Shield for future use though. But for now? Looks like plasma sword it is.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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I barely ever touch Conserve Power in normal play, so it's always there if I have problems. The cardiac alpha does an amazing job. The Performance Shifter and Panacea at least contribute a little. Also, I use some toggles situationally if necessary, such as turning off Tactics if I have 95% to hit without it. In an AV fight, I'd also turn off either Death Shroud (to preserve the minions for Dark Regeneration) or Cloak of Fear (because I've killed the minions). And again, it won't be sustainable until the very rare, and even then only with toggle management, but I'm very used to toggle management on Dark Armor.|
Originally Posted by Purus
Werner...looks an interesting scrapper to make but how do you manage the end on him......im looking for a new project and he could be him
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(Edit: Side note. If I were redoing the build today, I might not use the Gladiator's Armor set as knockback protection. It leaves me with only 11 knockback protection instead of 12, which means that pylons sometimes knock me back. I Hover, so I don't lose much time, so the overall effect has been negligible, but it's still an annoyance.)
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Posted this Kat/Elec build in another thread, awesome all around and very DPS'y.
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I can't decide what secondary to use.
I'm looking for something that's able to survive the latter TFs, either Inv, WP, or something along the lines. From what I understand, the devs are moving in a direction where the mobs more or less laugh at defensive based powersets.
I'd prefer to go with something for Kat or BS. Any suggestions?