Purchase where?
The Crucible/Fort Trident has a slider you can set the recipe to the level you want. This is kinda counter-intuitive imo since you actually have to use this slider to see recipies outside your level. E.g., for a level 50, you won't see recipes that max out at level 40 or 30, even though they are available. You have to use the slider to "scan" the recipe levels to see what is there.
At the AE, you get reward rolls for some recipes in level ranges. Level 20 - 30 range for Bronze recipes is a popular choice. You get the recipe in that range, regardless of your level.
I can't think of too many other recipe purchases. At the University (or abandoned lab) I think you only can buy recipes of your level. Not sure though.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
Purchase where?
The Crucible/Fort Trident has a slider you can set the recipe to the level you want. This is kinda counter-intuitive imo since you actually have to use this slider to see recipies outside your level. E.g., for a level 50, you won't see recipes that max out at level 40 or 30, even though they are available. You have to use the slider to "scan" the recipe levels to see what is there. At the AE, you get reward rolls for some recipes in level ranges. Level 20 - 30 range for Bronze recipes is a popular choice. You get the recipe in that range, regardless of your level. I can't think of too many other recipe purchases. At the University (or abandoned lab) I think you only can buy recipes of your level. Not sure though. |
At AE for instance, if I (on a level 50) roll a level 30 reward roll I get the recipe at level 50, or the highest level that recipe is available.
I was under the impression that the slider was for viewing the recipes, but did not select what level you wanted the recipe to be. In the same manner as AE, if you select a recipe on your level 50 you will receive the recipe at level 50 or the highest available level for that recipe.
It's possible I'm wrong though, as I haven't done a whole lot of reward rolling outside some bronze AE ticket rewards.
Random rolls are always at either your level or the max level they are available if you are higher than that max. Specific purchases are at the level you set on the slider. Here's some examples:
Let's say I go to Fort Trident on my 50, set the slider to 30, roll for a 30-34 recipe and get a Posi Blast Acc/Dam as one of my random recipes. It will be level 50 because that particular recipe is available all the way up to 50 and appears in the 30-34 range.
Now let's say I go to Fort Trident and set the slider to 20, then specifically buy a Trap of the Hunter Chance for Lethal proc. It will be level 20.
I know the above is accurate because I actually did both recently and the results described are exactly what I got. It's kind of an odd system and not the least bit intuitive IMHO, so confuses a lot of people.
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Or at minimum level if you are lower than minimum. A rare case, but happens. For example, a level 24 character rolls 25-29 and gets a Luck of the Gambler +Recharge. LotG is 25-50, so the recipe is 25.|
Originally Posted by Steel_Shaman
Random rolls are always at either your level or the max level they are available if you are higher than that max.
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Concerning recipes from enemy drops as mentioned in the OP: They always occur at the level of the enemy you defeated, unless the enemy is outside the level range of the drop, then it's adjusted as a random roll is. This is most often relevant when fighting enemies that are over 50, but occasionally, you'll get a recipe from a set that doesn't exist at the enemy's level; then it will be adjusted to the max or min for that set, as appropriate.
Mission complete recipes are essentially Silver Rolls from the AE. They always roll at YOUR experience level, regardless of your combat or security levels, or the level of the mission.
@Roderick
Thanks for the clarifications. I've done a bit of random rolling, but haven't specifically bought any recipes just yet so that clears things up nicely.
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Originally Posted by Humility
Defeat a mob and it can drop something up to level+3. Purchase a recipe or reward roll, and the recipe will be your character level, NOT character level+3. Is this correct? |
Defeat a mob and it will drop something of the same level the mob is if possible. Common IO recipes only exist at levels that are multiples of 5 (10, 15, 20, etc.), so that might be why you have the misconception that they can drop up to +3. Level 27s will drop a level 30 Common IO, but they will drop a level 27 set IO. This is also why level 47s will drop purples, because they are flagged to drop from anything that could drop a level 50 common IO.
If you random roll, the recipe will be at your level if it's available there, or the highest level it exists at.
If you purchase it directly (using merits to buy the exact recipe you want), you can choose the level of the recipe.
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For the Crucible it is correct. I have tested it myself.
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Originally Posted by Humility
I... don't think this is right.
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Crucible/Fort Trident work exactly the same as Reward Merit vendors. If you choose to buy a recipe (with 50-200 Reward Merits or 1-2 H/V Merits), you can set whatever level you want, as long as the recipe exists at that level.|
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
The Crucible/Fort Trident has a slider you can set the recipe to the level you want. This is kinda counter-intuitive imo since you actually have to use this slider to see recipies outside your level. E.g., for a level 50, you won't see recipes that max out at level 40 or 30, even though they are available. You have to use the slider to "scan" the recipe levels to see what is there.
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If you choose to roll (20 Reward Merits for 1 recipe, or 1 H/V merit for 8 recipes), you get either a recipe of your level, or the highest one that exists. You can choose to roll in a particular level range, but that only affects what recipe you can get, not what level. (Ie. if you roll in the 25-29 range and get a recipe that goes from 10-30, you get it at 30. if you roll in the 10-14 range and get that same recipe, you get it at 30.)
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| At the AE, you get reward rolls for some recipes in level ranges. Level 20 - 30 range for Bronze recipes is a popular choice. You get the recipe in that range, regardless of your level. |
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| At the University (or abandoned lab) I think you only can buy recipes of your level. Not sure though. |
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Nitpick: you get FIVE random recipes for one Hero/Villain merit. Or else I've been getting ripped off big time! And yes, they are the level of the character rolling.
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Originally Posted by Silver Gale
Crucible/Fort Trident work exactly the same as Reward Merit vendors. If you choose to buy a recipe (with 50-200 Reward Merits or 1-2 H/V Merits), you can set whatever level you want, as long as the recipe exists at that level.
If you choose to roll (20 Reward Merits for 1 recipe, or 1 H/V merit for 8 recipes), you get either a recipe of your level, or the highest one that exists. |
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Originally Posted by Silver Gale
Crucible/Fort Trident work exactly the same as Reward Merit vendors. If you choose to buy a recipe (with 50-200 Reward Merits or 1-2 H/V Merits), you can set whatever level you want, as long as the recipe exists at that level.
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This is what I was talking about, the H/V Merit purchase. If I set the slider to level 11, and then purchase a Celerity: Stealth recipe, I get a level 11 recipe, right? I haven't actually tried this myself yet, but I understood that was the way it worked.
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| If you choose to roll (20 Reward Merits for 1 recipe, or 1 H/V merit for 8 recipes)... |
The last guy to use a reward roll at Crucible/FT asked "Did I just rip myself off?" and everyone answered "Yes!" so I wasn't considering reward rolls at C/FT. It doesn't seem like a good idea.
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| AE rolls work the same as Reward Merit rolls, only with different drop pools. Bronze roll are the recipes that normally drop from enemies. |
Just to clarify, my level 50 gets level 30 bronze recipes all the time at the AE. If you pick the right reward roll, that's what you get. Not sure what else everyone was imagining. If you don't get a level 30 recipe, check that you are using the right level range for the reward roll.
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| This is not true. At a University, Abandoned Lab, Portable Workbench or SG base Crafting station, you can buy common IO recipes at any level you want (if you have the inf and free Recipe slot). |
It's bee a while since I bought common recipes at the University, so I'm sure I loused this up. Mea culpa.
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I did exactly this (different level and IO though) last night, and got exactly the level I'd set on the slider. You're golden.|
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
This is what I was talking about, the H/V Merit purchase. If I set the slider to level 11, and then purchase a Celerity: Stealth recipe, I get a level 11 recipe, right? I haven't actually tried this myself yet, but I understood that was the way it worked.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
The last guy to use a reward roll at Crucible/FT asked "Did I just rip myself off?" and everyone answered "Yes!" so I wasn't considering reward rolls at C/FT. It doesn't seem like a good idea.
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So while random rolling may not be the path to wealth, it will let one of my characters generate a pretty good batch of the hard-to-find midrange stuff I want, while the rest of my crew uses more conventional strategies.
Incidentally, I may be a hopeless marketeer, but I bought a SNIPE recipe with 2 A-merits recently. Yeah, I can hear the collective gasp from here.
I know the thing to do is buy a big-seller like LOTG +recharge, sell it, and buy lots of IOs with the cash...but I wanted a mid-range one, and after TWO WEEKS of neither crafted IO nor recipe being offered for sale at my desired level, I forced the issue with merits. A trillion influence won't buy something if it's not for sale.
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What is a "SNIPE?"
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A snipe is any of nearly 50 wading bird species in three genera in the family Scolopacidae. They are characterized by a very long, slender bill and cryptic plumage. The Gallinago snipes have a nearly worldwide distribution, the Lymnocryptes Jack Snipe is restricted to Asia and Europe and the Coenocorypha snipes are found only in the Outlying Islands of New Zealand. The three species of painted snipe are not closely related to the typical snipes, and are placed in their own family, the Rostratulidae.|
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What is a "SNIPE?"
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But, in game terms, it's a long range attack, typically a single target attack (although there is a Targetted AOE snipe). Usually it's used to pull either a single target or a group to your location.
I find your lack of signature disturbing.
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The only way that's possible is if you're getting recipes that cap at 30. If you were to get a Crushing Impact via Bronze Roll, it would be level 50, and there would be no way for you to change that. If you can demonstrate a way for a level 50 character to take a random roll and get a recipe lower than level 50 from a set that goes to 50, I'm pretty sure that the entire Market Forum would be in your debt. Either that, or it's a bug, and may end up fixed in the future.|
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
my level 50 gets level 30 bronze recipes all the time at the AE.
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Damn, I said "50" a lot in that paragraph.
50.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
The only way that's possible is if you're getting recipes that cap at 30.
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Yeah. That's what I'm saying. If you choose the recipes rolls that cap at 30, you get a level 30 recipe. It says "20-30 Recipe Rolls" right on it (or something like that, I don't remember the lower number for sure).
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Yes, but many of the recipes that fall within that bracket also are available at much higher levels. |
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
Yeah. That's what I'm saying. If you choose the recipes rolls that cap at 30, you get a level 30 recipe. It says "20-30 Recipe Rolls" right on it (or something like that, I don't remember the lower number for sure).
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Bronze 30-34 will roll any recipe that is available at those levels. Crushing impact is available at level 30, but the highest level crushing impact can be is 50. If you are rolling on a level 50, and get a crushing impact, it will be a level 50 recipe.
I am thinking about taking a character and locking xp around 30 to do some reward rolls since the market is so slim in that range right now. So I just wanted to be clear on the relationship between level and reward rolls.
Defeat a mob and it can drop something up to level+3.
Purchase a recipe or reward roll, and the recipe will be your character level, NOT character level+3.
Is this correct? 32 would work out just fine for me, and would let me grab the final power in the primary set. But my concern then is that I would be rolling for recipes up to 35 when I want to cap at 33 for the purposes of exemping down to 30 and retaining set bonuses.
Any answers are appreciated, just want to be sure before I pass the point of no return.