Suggestion for new HEAT/VEAT
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-01-09 10:07 in Suggestions and Ideas
You don't seem to understand the entire point of the Warshade AT, in comparison to a Nictus.
Longbow would, IMO, make a lame a EAT. I'd rather have something with more depth and unique options. Like Rikti.
/Unsigned.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Please acquaint yourself with EAT lore. Warshades are not "villainous." The point of a Warshade (lore-wise) is that they are trying to redeem themselves. That they've turned their back on (and are fighting against) the Nictus.
And /signed to longbow being lame. (Not to mention easily replicated in game. Inv/SS? Spines? Illusion?) Doubly unsigned to them being an EAT if they get the same, lousy treatment, arc-wise (y'know, the "Epic" in "Epic AT" = the story they're tied to) the VEATs were given.
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Not to mention their costumes already being easy to replicate.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And /signed to longbow being lame. (Not to mention easily replicated in game. Inv/SS? Spines? Illusion?)
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Agreed. The current EATs all have power combos that aren't easily replicated in other ATs that make them play differently from other ATs (even if IMHO the HEATs could have been implemented in a better way).|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And /signed to longbow being lame. (Not to mention easily replicated in game. Inv/SS? Spines? Illusion?)
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Personally I think any new EATs should endeavor to combine an interesting mechanic or power set with a good story. Rikti are definitely one possible option having a number of good storyline hooks and the potential for interesting power combos (such as having psionic powers, sword powers and some defensive abilities). Another group I'd like to see EATified would be the PPD. They don't have as many obvious story hooks as the Rikti (although I think they have some good potential ones) but between Power Armored cops, the Psi Corps and the Awakened Division I think they have some interesting options for a unique power setup (well ok, Awakened are basically Peacebringers with a different costume so scratch them out but the other two could work).
so...randomly, let's have a list here for HEAT/VEAT ideas...
1. Rikti
2. Coralax
3. Paragon Police Department
4. Praetorian Police Department/IDF
5. Devouring Earth Hybrid (As per-steampunkette's thread)
6. Midnighter Magus (okay, this one is mostly my desire for us to be able to make use of all the magical staffs we see in the game as well as quell suggestions for something 'raw magical', and 'multi-elemental')
7. Vanguard Soldier (? I think i've heard a call for this... though being able to make a Vanguard Sword ranger might be broken)
8. Mecha (I've seen one idea and I've had an idea myself for one, though even so it's a bit of a longshot...)
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Yeah, the Mecha Epic AT was one of the most original EAT ideas I've seen floated - tried to keep it alive through a few old-board-purges, it finally went away unfortunately.
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Bah, if it's a branching AT the mix of standard PPD powers with Kheldian powers would be interesting. Plus, who says the powers need to be exact copies of the PB powers.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
(well ok, Awakened are basically Peacebringers with a different costume so scratch them out but the other two could work).
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Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
I think the whole point of Longbow (from a gameplay perspective, not storyline) is that they're supposed to be generic troops, above local police but not cut out to be full-blown superheroes.
As I said recently in a very similar topic (might have been the same TC, actually), most Longbow minions, lieutenants, and Officer bosses are essentially just AR/Dev or DP/Dev Blasters with various Pool Powers to supplement them (Stealth for SpecOps, Flight for Eagles, Tough for Officers, etc), and the various Wardens specifically use heroic AT power combinations. Except for maybe one or two unique attacks, there's nothing that can't be done already with the current AT combinations, and it's easy enough to throw together a Longbow-like costume in the costume creator.
I should play with my AR/Traps Corrupter (a Longbow defector, still wearing a dirty Longbow costume) some more. He's only level 4.
I'd rather see Blood of the Black Stream or another suitable shape shifter.
My suggestion to the original poster; actually get a hero and a villain past level 20 (now as of i17) and create both a PB and a WS and a Arachnos Soldier and a Widow and play them all up past 35 or w/e and play their stories through, Granted, the Kheld storyline needs a total overhaul as it is just old, and the SoA storyline has been said by many players to be very lacking... and then come back to this thread and make an intelligent suggestion instead of basing your factoids on "Well the WS powers are dark so they must be evil" and suggesting a very vanilla EAT to us that can already be recreated as it is...
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The Kheld story, as a story, isnt too bad. Mission execution is a bit lame, due to being old, yes.
Oh, and whoever thought putting a squishy AT against VAHZILOK at level 1 should be taken out and shot.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I would like to make a suggestion for new VEAT/HEAT classes. This will entail restructuring of a sort with Hero HEAT's. Longbow have been a mainstay for hero's and would make a great hero VEAT selection such as Wardens. Warshades should be villain and peacebringers hero. Would fit into the storyline well since arachnos is the main villain group and Longbow are hero's main group. my friends and I have all talked about it and i have heard the same from others. Longbow vs Arachnos just makes more sense.
Ok, maybe not switch up just make available to both sides, plus there are plenty of bad Warshades ITF Specificly. Now the Dev's can create new Longbow classes and actually make them a serious force, right now they are annoying at best.