Super Strength

Probably because brutes, the AT that would care about damage performance, are quite happy with the set's performance, even with the diluted effect Rage gives to brutes. They don't want to complain about it considering that any time the devs take to look at the set will probably result in a performance reduction.

The tankers that complain about its presumed poor performance are the ones that have a deluded perspective and don't understand that the most survivable AT cannot also be the highest damage dealing AT. These unfortunate people are forever doomed to ask for things outside the realm of reasonable expectation. They do not see the sets over performance, and instead only compare Super Strength for tankers to similar damage dealing sets of scrappers.

Nothing to add.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

About the most intelligent thing I have read on the forums within the last year. Seriously good response.

Quoted for Truth. Comparing Tankers to Scrappers is just awful. heck, even comparing brutes to scrappers can be off balancing. Tankers are in their own class, and until scrappers OR brutes get the base numbers a tanker does, neither of the 3 ATs should be complaining about any damage differences.

Plus didn't they add the shaky screen thing to SS to make it feel more powerful awhile ago? And didn't they redo Rage so that tankers could actually be more useful during the crash? So it didn't trigger a Only Affecting Self status affect, and tankers could still hold aggro?

There's likely a number of reasons. To begin with, there's likely different sample sizes. That is, I suspect there are more Tankers than Brutes, at least at the moment. Even if there was the same proportion of Brutes complaining, they'd be far less visible.

However, I don't honestly think that this is the case. As has been mentioned, I think the reason Brutes don't complain is they're happy with the performance of the set. I suspect the majority of Tankers are too (I number myself among them, obviously).

The issue is game balance. I agree, Super Strength should have been a HARD hitting power set, but to make that balanced they would have had to reduce some other aspect of performance, be it attack rate, accuracy or what have you. Somehow, I don't think you would care for that either. Besides, that would mean a DRASTIC alteration to the nature and performance of the set, which you and I know isn't going to happen.

This is why I restrict myself to smaller changes and tweaks. Altering the animation to add some debris and dust, and perhaps some damage decals to the ground is something that should be easy to do (comapred to revamping the whole set, anyway). Likewise, switching the order of a couple of less popular powers shouldn't be difficult. Thus, I suggest these as an alternative to a complete revamp, since they can make the set FEEL stronger without needing to actually BE stronger.

I'll confess to never having played SS to any significant level but my take of it from watching all the years of discussion, looking over the powers and teaming with other SS tanks is that the prime change I'd like to see is Hand Clap made into knockDOWN instead of KB. That would make it a similar power to Stone Melee's Fault and increase it's usefulness drastically. Not only that but you'd no longer have Impy sending everything flying on the last mission of the ITF.

The rest of the set looks to be pretty well designed, albeit a bit single target biased.

You know, due to the fact rage is easily perma, SS has the highest DPA of basically all the tanker secondary sets? And once you double stack rage, that DPA shoots up even more?

Even when considering the 10 seconds of no damage, and the endurance hit, SS with rage is still pretty much the hardest hitting set out there.