For what it's worth, that badge is awarded after the 5th mission, a full mission before the end of the arc. Are you sure it's not in your "Most Recent" badge list?
On a side note, some people noted there were issues earning some of the new badges unless they were the team leader. I'm not sure if that's still true or not. Apparently it is.
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
For what it's worth, that badge is awarded after the 5th mission, a full mission before the end of the arc. Are you sure it's not in your "Most Recent" badge list?
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No, they do not. I can personally attest to this. A friend that had a hero in level for the arc took a rogue stalker, a certain rogue Illusion/Empath (myself), and a third character through the arc. Everyone got the No One Left Behind badge, but only the mission holder got the Helping Hand badge.|
Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
First of all, everyone on a team doing the equivalent hero arc gets the badge.
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Second, I think if this explanation held true, then why did I earn the "connected" badge?
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Do I have to be a villain/rogue and "own" the mission? Why isn't that true on hero side?
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Ok, so I guess it must be a blue side/red side thing then. When I did the hero arc, all blue side people got all the badges. [edit] I can personally attest to the fact that a fellow blue side player earned the badge for completing the blue arc when I called it in.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
No, they do not. I can personally attest to this. A friend that had a hero in level for the arc took a rogue stalker, a certain rogue Illusion/Empath (myself), and a third character through the arc. Everyone got the No One Left Behind badge, but only the mission holder got the Helping Hand badge.
Different badge requirements. Yes, you have to be a villain/rogue and either own the mission or possibly do it via flashback. As I said above, it is NOT true on the hero side. |
I thought they were trying to move past this kind of thing. Plus there seems to be some inconsistency because someone else got around this by using an oro portal in a base.
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Rogues can't enter hero bases and vigilantes can't enter villain bases, so that isn't possible [edit] for the majority of players [/edit] either.
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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
I thought they were trying to move past this kind of thing. Plus there seems to be some inconsistency because someone else got around this by using an oro portal in a base.
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They can if you have a Hero/Villain Coalition... |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Rogues can't enter hero bases and vigilantes can't enter villain bases, so that isn't possible either.
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I'll agree with you that it's not intended behavior, but it is within the realm of possibility.
And that is completely unavailable to the majority of players. The only groups that have hero-villain coalitions are groups that did that back in issue 6. So basically any rogue/vigilante that got the badges without switching sides has [edit] has not been playing [/edit] according to the rules the majority of players have to abide by.
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Not really. Some could even be made as recently as i18. I reported it, and I'm fairly certain it no longer works. I could be wrong though. I have not tested it again recently to confirm.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
And that is completely unavailable to the majority of players. The only groups that have hero-villain coalitions are groups that did that back in issue 6.
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So basically any rogue/vigilante that got the badges without switching sides has cheated according to the rules the majority of players have to abide by.
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As for my personal experience with it.. I know about it only from "what if" testing on a random toon. I do a lot of testing of strange scenarios, and usually report what I find out (even though I've written off Bug Hunter long ago). My badge toons got them all by actually switching sides. I'd never risk my integrity or my good characters by doing something as ridiculous and lazy as exploiting something that would only take an extra day or two at most to achieve. I didn't even partake in the exploit to get the "7 day" Alignment badges when that was available, even though I know more than a handful of people who did.
Either way.. I'll still agree with you that it's not available to a majority of players, but to say it's not possible is just plain wrong. We don't know if that's really what their friend did or not anyway, so it's just a wild assumption either way.
So I guess the answer that I'm looking for, is that you can get the badge if you are native to the same side as the mission holder, or you are the mission holder, or if you are on a team through flashback.
Snowglobe, I hope you feel better someday.
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Ok, I'll grant that it isn't impossible. I'll continue to say that it is bypassing the rules the majority of players have to live with to get the badge though.|
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
Either way.. I'll still agree with you that it's not available to a majority of players, but to say it's not possible is just plain wrong. We don't know if that's what their friend did or not, so it's just a wild assumption either way.
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I don't consider rogues doing the hero arc or vigilantes doing the villain arc to be cheating. I also agree that it seems really dumb to either flag the badges as hero/villain only or not award to any player that does the arc in question.
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So I guess the answer that I'm looking for, is that you can get the badge if you are native to the same side as the mission holder, or you are the mission holder, or if you are on a team through flashback.
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A large portion of what people consider my "attitude" is a fundamental aspect of my personality profile (read the link, it will give you insights on how I think). It isn't something that I can "feel better" about. On the flip side, it allows me to organize things easily.
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I completely agree, and never meant to make it my position that I condone such actions.. only that such actions were possible. Now that I think of it, I should probably revise my original post above to provide as little information as possible about it, just to be on the safe side.|
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Ok, I'll grant that it isn't impossible. I'll continue to say that it is bypassing the rules the majority of players have to live with to get the badge though.
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I just want consistent rules for everyone. I don't think that is too much to ask.
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Well that's a topic for another day anyway.
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A large portion of what people consider my "attitude" is a fundamental aspect of my personality profile (read the link, it will give you insights on how I think). It isn't something that I can "feel better" about. On the flip side, it allows me to organize things easily.
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I'm actually coming to agree with that position.|
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
I think that would be perfect. I'm not saying they should attempt to run a code to break Hero/Villain coalitions though. It might be easier just to allow it for everybody. In today's game, I don't see much of a reason why groups have to be on separate sides anyway. There are already mechanics in place to keep people out of zones they are not supposed to be in anyway. From an RP perspective, I can kinda understand the separation, but from a different RP perspective, there shouldn't be anything wrong with having a "grey" group either.
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I'm not sure I sensed any "attitude" in your posts. FWIW, I read through your link, and I saw a lot of myself in there too. I understand and respect where you are coming from and agree with you most of the time on various topics. I think this was just a misunderstanding of what my position actually was, and I'm sorry it lead to CaptainMoodswing making such a comment.
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I confirmed last night that this badge did not get awarded for running the arc to my character, a rogue tanker exemplared down to level 25 who was not the mission holder (contact will not talk to him).
I've looked in the flashback missions and didn't find this arc, nor recognize the contact in the list.
Anyone know if it's there?
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Yes, both arcs can be found in their respective sides' Ouroboros listing, within the level 25-29 range. Look for Vincent Ross (red-side) and Roy Cooling (blue).
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I've looked in the flashback missions and didn't find this arc, nor recognize the contact in the list.
Anyone know if it's there? |
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Keep in mind that the contact names do NOT appear in the listing. Per ParagonWiki, I believe the red arc is 'Old Friends, New Enemies etc' and the blue one is 'Bad People, Good Intentions'.
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No, but in my experience they stand out quite a bit and are easy to locate even without having the arc name.
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Keep in mind that the contact names do NOT appear in the listing. Per ParagonWiki, I believe the red arc is 'Old Friends, New Enemies etc' and the blue one is 'Bad People, Good Intentions'.
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I tried to earn the two badges for the new villain story arc. I am a Vigilante, so I asked a villain friend to run it with me. We both wound up with the connected badge, for doing a side contact. For some reason, when the story was over, he earned the keeper of coral lore badge while I did not. I sent a petition.
I got this response:
"It appears "SadysCHICK" was not introduced to Vincent Ross before the mission. The Keeper of Coral Lore badge is only available to characters that have the mission assigned by the contact, though it is possible to participate in the mission with another character that does have the mission assigned. This appears to be what happened in your character's case.
You can find more information on this topic on the City of Heroes and City of Villains message boards."
This seems like kind of a weird response. First of all, everyone on a team doing the equivalent hero arc gets the badge. Second, I think if this explanation held true, then why did I earn the "connected" badge?
Something else happened. When I spoke to the contact after the story was done, he gave me the greeting dialogue, and I could choose one line to respond with. (I chose the "make sure he isn't protean in disguise" one.) After that, he said "I have nothing for you!"
So, I'm confused. Clearly SOMETHING isn't working as intended. Do I have to be a villain/rogue and "own" the mission? Why isn't that true on hero side?
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