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Originally Posted by Silas
I agree that it's important that the communities money makes it back to the community. Equally important however, is that the trust that the community places in the reps (or whomever) is reciprocated from the get-go with transparency in what is being done with their contributions/time/effort.
I think it's a shame that the reps had to literally be nagged to be forthcoming with this information, information which I would have thought a basic courtesy to extend to the community who had taken part. Not just the "accountants" of the server. Hopefully things will go a little smoother now. Here's to the future of the Champion community. I'm definitely looking forward to the next Player Auction  |
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Originally Posted by Silas
I agree that it's important that the communities money makes it back to the community. Equally important however, is that the trust that the community places in the reps (or whomever) is reciprocated from the get-go with transparency in what is being done with their contributions/time/effort.
I think it's a shame that the reps had to literally be nagged to be forthcoming with this information, information which I would have thought a basic courtesy to extend to the community who had taken part. Not just the "accountants" of the server. Hopefully things will go a little smoother now. Here's to the future of the Champion community. I'm definitely looking forward to the next Player Auction |
I thought we kept the records up to date every few events. That will be something that can be addressed and made more clear in the future.
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Yes, once Dazz started posting the breakdown he was fairly regular about it. However, the first breakdown came more than six months after the event.|
Originally Posted by Cherry Cupcakes
I dont think we had to be nagged
I thought we kept the records up to date every few events. That will be something that can be addressed and made more clear in the future. |
As for nagging, I don't know who else was interested in seeing a breakdown so I can only speak for myself, but yes, I felt like I had to nag to see it done. Honestly, as a matter of principle I don't think it should even have been necessary to ask.
Indeed, lets hope things are more straightforward in future.
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Moving forward, is there a specific person who will be the contact for this group? Or is it just whoever you can catch in game to pester?
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as of now, there is no primary contact person, and to be honest i dont think there will be any 1 person. |
Originally Posted by Stray Kitten
Moving forward, is there a specific person who will be the contact for this group? Or is it just whoever you can catch in game to pester?
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Out of us though, id say im easier to contact currently given everyone elses schedules.
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Youre correct, it shouldnt have been necessary.. given the fact that once upon a time in rl (before cupcakes) I was a bean counter. |
Originally Posted by Silas
Honestly, as a matter of principle I don't think it should even have been necessary to ask.
Indeed, lets hope things are more straightforward in future. |
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Okay, just as a thought then, you may want to designate someone to contact that way if no one is online someone would know who to send an offline tell to, but just a suggestion.|
Originally Posted by Cherry Cupcakes
as of now, there is no primary contact person, and to be honest i dont think there will be any 1 person.
Out of us though, id say im easier to contact currently given everyone elses schedules. |
As for the immediate reason I was wondering, you'll get a tell from me in a few minutes.
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You're going to bid on me and make me play something non-scrapper aren't you. <_<
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Originally Posted by Silas
You play non-Scrappers all the time now, you've come a long way
Besides, you're one of the all-too-few people who don't make me frownyface bringing melee to a team Edit: Straaaaay I hope you are planning a super kawaii catgirl event. My multitude of catgirls have gone unappreciated for too long |
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Originally Posted by Stray Kitten
Okay, just as a thought then, you may want to designate someone to contact that way if no one is online someone would know who to send an offline tell to, but just a suggestion.
As for the immediate reason I was wondering, you'll get a tell from me in a few minutes. |
Very Cool. Thanks, Stray.
Silas... I do get what you are saying... I probably could've done monthly... BUT rest assured (and I have witnesses) I was always keeping VERY accurate (borderling obsurd) record keeping of what all was happening with the auctions. Mind you this was before the auctions even hit! You should see the Excel Spreadsheet I have. To my own fault, I do not think we were prepared for the amount we received. At the end of that night many spectators from other servers were baffled by the amount of money being spoken of. To this day... people still ask how we got that much money. It really is shocking and probably factored into the lack of prepardness. However, I did always have track from the beginning but I lacked the idea of how to best communicate. However, you did your part and helped show the way. Thanks for not letting us fail!
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Originally Posted by Amily
Another eloquent post. You really should consider getting into politics. You certainly know how to play to the audience. I have already been informed by one of your "Insert new name" committee members that my opinion "isn't important". Which is why I removed my post. Let's go with that on and off stage, shall we?
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If you're looking for complete transparency, you could always do the accounting as a public google docs spreadsheet. They of course allow you to set for public viewing with as few or as many contributors (people who can actually edit) as you want.|
Originally Posted by Dazz Marvelous
Silas... I do get what you are saying... I probably could've done monthly... BUT rest assured (and I have witnesses) I was always keeping VERY accurate (borderling obsurd) record keeping of what all was happening with the auctions. Mind you this was before the auctions even hit! You should see the Excel Spreadsheet I have. To my own fault, I do not think we were prepared for the amount we received. At the end of that night many spectators from other servers were baffled by the amount of money being spoken of. To this day... people still ask how we got that much money. It really is shocking and probably factored into the lack of prepardness. However, I did always have track from the beginning but I lacked the idea of how to best communicate. However, you did your part and helped show the way. Thanks for not letting us fail!
THANKS! I'd never make it very far... contrary to popular belief... I do have a heart! I care too much for humans so I'd fail in the political arena! I appreciate the compliment though! BTW... don't ever feel the need to be silenced! This thread would be nothing without both sides to the scale. I know I'm not perfect (I'm a Politician) but with everyone's help we can be strong! AND TO EVERYONE ELSE! SIMPLY PUT... STAY MARVELOUS! |
I just like throwing ideas out, I've had a lot of experience trying to get people to collaborate within a small group, so I have a fairly good idea of various tools that can be used if you need any help finding something. Feel free to ignore or use any suggestions I have, won't bother me either way.
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OMG! GOOGLE DOCS FOR THE WIN!!! I HEART THEM SO MUCH!!! That is definitely a great idea and something I've been sharing with the other reps as an amazing (AND FREE) resource we can use! CHEERS! |
Originally Posted by Stray Kitten
If you're looking for complete transparency, you could always do the accounting as a public google docs spreadsheet. They of course allow you to set for public viewing with as few or as many contributors (people who can actually edit) as you want.
I just like throwing ideas out, I've had a lot of experience trying to get people to collaborate within a small group, so I have a fairly good idea of various tools that can be used if you need any help finding something. |
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Originally Posted by Stray Kitten
If you're looking for complete transparency, you could always do the accounting as a public google docs spreadsheet. They of course allow you to set for public viewing with as few or as many contributors (people who can actually edit) as you want.
I just like throwing ideas out, I've had a lot of experience trying to get people to collaborate within a small group, so I have a fairly good idea of various tools that can be used if you need any help finding something. Feel free to ignore or use any suggestions I have, won't bother me either way. |
Hi
Before I get headlong into my post, I do want to Thank, Dazz, Cherry, Fanged, Pound and Star for their time and service to P.E.R.C. I wish you all the best of luck on all of your endeavors. I also support any and all efforts bring player ran events to the community, no matter were they come from. however with that said I do have a few things I need to discuss.
The first order of business is as follows. I am the leader of PERC. I have been for the last 2 years. This is a volunteer group, and we all put in time and effort for community events. I do not make light of this to put myself or anyone else on a pedestal, I do this to say that we as a group do the best with what we have and with what we believe is best for all servers with respect to large scale and or multi server events events. As the leader of PERC I do make alot of the event decisions. Specifically with our Spotlight and Mr and MS Paragon events. If there are issues problems or concerns with those events I would love to hear them.
Secondly, I want to clear the air about some inaccuracies that have been made in this thread. The first is that Spotlight events force reps to run more events than they would normally run. Below is the event code of conduct each rep agrees to when they join PERC.
Event Code of Conduct
The Event Code of Conduct will relate to event related rules that every member of PERC must follow. This is limited to events that are in the PERC name unless specified.
- 1. PERC members are expected to enforce, encourage, and uphold all event and contest rules whether hosted officially or out-of-committee.
- 2. Any PERC member caught trying to doctor/influence results of a PERC contest will be subject to removal from the Committee.
- 3. If a PERC representative is not officiating a given event, then they can participate in the event. Regardless, their super/villain group members are allowed to participate in the event, though it is expected that there is no appearance of favoritism.
- 4. PERC Members may not participate in Major Cross Server events. This also includes the use of alternate accounts.
- 5. When planning an event in the PERC name, the PERC representative(s) are required to share a brief description of the event in the PERC forums. For example, posting in the PERC forums would allow for others to spot timing conflicts with the given event.
- 6. All events submitted will be approved within 24 hours by either the First or Second Chair.
- 7. Farming, power leveling and SG recruiting are prohibited as PERC events.
- 8. PERC events can include PvP activities provided a PvPEC representative is co-hosting or prior approval has been granted by PvPEC leadership. The event must also include PvE activities. PERC events cannot be exclusively PvP.
- 9. Spotlight/Feature events will take place every other month. These months are February, April, June, August, October, December. These events will be planned and published by the First and Second Chair. These events will be run on all servers. In the event we do not have a representative on a server the First or Second Chair will run the event on that server.
- 10. All representatives are required to run a minimum of 1 event every 2 months. Co-hosting events is permitted, even encouraged, but the credit for the event is divided between the hosting representatives. For example, if two representatives host an event together, that counts as 1/2 of an event for each. This is to prevent co-hosting resulting in a reduction of the total number of server events.
These rules clearly state event expectations for our reps. Specifically with respect to events ran and how spotlight events effect event credit. Specifically the Spotlight events are counted as a reps 1 event every 2 months. Also, nowhere does it say reps must run events not on their server. yes we ask for volunteers however no one is forced to do anything. Just for the record we had, The Rikti Global Offensive, Mirror Mirror, Capture That? and Mr and Ms Paragon Universe. An ingame race event involving the challenge system and Lady Gray, a unique costume contest requiring contestants to have their main costume and their Mirror Version (Think alternate universe), a a Forum Contest involving capturing unique ingame screenshots with 10 categories and Mr/Ms Paragon Universe, our yearly cross server costume contest. The Mr/Ms contest brings me to another point: auction funds and reps INF donations
First off, To be blunt, I am disappointed at the cheap shots being made with respect to the awards funding for Mr and Ms Paragon Universe. 24 billion in INF was given as prizes. Yes, 2 billion came from the Champion bank, but this was used to finance the Champion portion of the event. However to satisfy who donated what below is a list of who donated.
Arky: 10 Bill (Virtue Rep)
Ice Knight: 8 Bill (1st Chair)
Champion: 2 Bill
Dazz: 1 Bill (Champion Rep)
Fang: 1 Bill (Champion Rep)
Mr. MP: 1 Bill (Victory Rep)
Mrs. MP: 1 Bill (2nd Chair)
With respect to Champion Auction Funds, We have only used those funds to finance Champion events and for the most part have been reserved for the Champion reps to use as they see fit. As I said, I am disappointed at the blatant inaccuracy of what was stated above, and trust me, 2 bill more wasn't going to break me, I was just following thru on what we had discussed in a previous meeting about who was donating funds. With that said I am clearing the air so there are no misunderstandings.
In closing, I hold no ill will to Dazz, Cherry, Fanged, Pound and Star. I wish them the best, and believe that they have the best interests of Champion at heart. They feel their direction is best and I support that.
Ice
Um, did anyone actually say anything about auction funds being misused at all, let alone misused for the Mr/Mrs Paragon Universe thing?
I was talking about transparency in how theChampion-raised funds were being used on Champion.
Dazz, you might want to reconsider how you write posts. I get that you're enthusiastic and hell, maybe it's just me but they don't come across as very genuine.
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Um, did anyone actually say anything about auction funds being misused at all, let alone misused for the Mr/Mrs Paragon Universe thing?
I was talking about transparency in how theChampion-raised funds were being used on Champion. |
The post was in response to Cherry and Fanged posts about the matter. Your posts about transparency were very enlightening however were not of what I was bothered about.
Ice
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First off, To be blunt, I am disappointed at the cheap shots being made...
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The post was in response to Cherry and Fanged posts about the matter. Your posts about transparency were very enlightening however were not of what I was bothered about. Ice |
Well some how you guys got the idea I said I would give money out of pocket so you, MP and Dazz asked... Dazzy and I talked about it and know where the confusion came from. I said money was stupid easy to make in this game... Not that I would cover it... Then we talked about how we make money and I said at the time I was flipping Reactive Armors.
I forget which meeting it was brought up but it was brought up for us to go beyond the 2 bil we said we would donate...
Also giving as much as you did was very generous and I admire you for that...
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I think you misunderstand. It wast a question of regularity (doing it weekly/monthly/whatever) but that there waszero information provided for over half a year after the event.
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Originally Posted by Dazz Marvelous
Silas... I do get what you are saying... I probably could've done monthly... BUT rest assured (and I have witnesses) I was always keeping VERY accurate (borderling obsurd) record keeping of what all was happening with the auctions. Mind you this was before the auctions even hit! You should see the Excel Spreadsheet I have. To my own fault, I do not think we were prepared for the amount we received.
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Nah! I get! It does make sense... but mind you... I don't think any other server (or any other previous time for Champion) has been this up front about the money and how it was utilized. Like I said... learning curve?|
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I think you misunderstand. It wast a question of regularity (doing it weekly/monthly/whatever) but that there waszero information provided for over half a year after the event.
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Originally Posted by Silas
Dazz, you might want to reconsider how you write posts. I get that you're enthusiastic and hell, maybe it's just me but they don't come across as very genuine.
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Originally Posted by Ice Knight
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The post was in response to Cherry and Fanged posts about the matter. Your posts about transparency were very enlightening however were not of what I was bothered about. Ice |
I mean look at his Avatar. O_o
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I know I didn't after my first auction. I think we took in something like 8 billion from just the rednames and when I gave away quit a bit of that before I left PERC, I did leave them with about 2 billion. Acountability did become an issue later so I did learn a lesson, so I agree with you here Dazz i think there is a learning curve. Usually event threads have posted prizes and you can sort of back track and do the math.|
Originally Posted by Dazz Marvelous
Nah! I get! It does make sense... but mind you... I don't think any other server (or any other previous time for Champion) has been this up front about the money and how it was utilized. Like I said... learning curve?
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With my second auction (not PERC) there was a more public posting of what was taken in and I might borrow the idea of the public google doc's idea, it's a very good way of public accountability.
You guys brought in an insane amout of money I can't wait to see your auction
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Also... like Cherry confirmed we do still plan to do the Auctions in January (as is tradition) just not under the PERC Banner. We have had LOTS of people in the community asking when the next one would be and dying with anticipation for the next one. So do not fret... we will be hosting the third annual Player Auctions in January! Stay tuned! All is in motion!
I think it's a shame that the reps had to literally be nagged to be forthcoming with this information, information which I would have thought a basic courtesy to extend to the community who had taken part. Not just the "accountants" of the server.
Hopefully things will go a little smoother now. Here's to the future of the Champion community. I'm definitely looking forward to the next Player Auction
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