The Most Shocking Moments In Comic Book History
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Posted on: 2010-11-07 07:56 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Yeah...Joker shooting Barbara was much more of a shock than him killing Jason Todd....they put that up to a friggin vote.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
Wolverine's power has been creeping up for a while, and he's regenerated back from almost complete disintegration before.
I think the list failed. Any list of shocking comic moments must include Joker shooting Barbara Gordon. It was a seminal event for the DC universe and absolutely nobody saw it coming. My choice for runner up would be Kid Miracleman's ****. But that was more or less a self-contained event. |
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With the exception of Lone Wolf and Cub this is a Marvel/DC list so others need not apply. Otherwise I'd say that the revelation in Elementals that Morningstar's boyfriend, Eric Chessman, was Shapeshifter beats out a lot of the events on the list.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
My choice for runner up would be Kid Miracleman's ****. But that was more or less a self-contained event.
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When Jean Grey died that first time back in 1980 - 
I'd never seen anything like that happen in a comic book. Well. The Metal Men used to get trashed pretty much every issue... but that was different! I used to cut the Metal Men out of the comic book and play with them on the floor, which must have been linoleum as vinyl flooring wasn't available at that time, but anyway, it had a pattern with lines which were handy for use as panels, so I could create my own adventures starring the Metal Men. I never cut up an X-men comic. Except for maybe #4. I don't remember.
Of course Marvel couldn't leave it at that, and now blah blah who cares. I must be the only person who didn't buy even a single copy of the death of Superman or the back-breaking of Batman or the shooting of Captain America or the more recent death of Batman or whatever it was. Boo to all that, I say, boo!
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Not to mention that the event itself was hardly the most shocking thing in Watchmen.|
Originally Posted by LunarKnight
Also, the author of this list completely misses the point of Ozy's alien squid...
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All in all I'm not really all too happy with the list. I mean, sure, some things are a matter of taste, but the trinity of Death of Superman, Knightfall and Emerald Fallout/Twilight was really just the same gimmick used over and over again. The Adamantium thing was just silly, especially as it barely impact the character at the end of the day, except when the story was written for it. The death of Jason Todd was voted on, so no surprises there, really. Zero Hour was one of many bigger and smaller reboots to happen in the DCU, starting with the original Crisis. As such it hardly stands out to me when seen in the context of the various Crises, Hypertime, Underworld Unleashed and whatever else they did that allowed them to retcon stuff with an in-story explanation.
I can agree on Action Comics #1 in principle and the Speedy drugs story in particular. Not sure about the Dark Phoenix Saga. It was cool and all, mind, but as someone who read those stories in sequence, there was stuff I found more impactful at the time. The first being gentle Colossus killing Proteus and the other one being Days of Future Past. That one really shocked me.
How about Trouble? Origins? Those were also truly shocking. Shocking because of how trite they were, granted, but shocking nonetheless.
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Days of Future Past was pretty much shock after shock...the only reason I can see for it not making this list is that it was essentially a "What If". The whole point of of the story was for the current Xmen to change events so that it would never happen. I'm sure that's not why it's missing though, given the elementary school book report writing.|
Originally Posted by Eisregen_NA
Not to mention that the event itself was hardly the most shocking thing in Watchmen.
All in all I'm not really all too happy with the list. I mean, sure, some things are a matter of taste, but the trinity of Death of Superman, Knightfall and Emerald Fallout/Twilight was really just the same gimmick used over and over again. The Adamantium thing was just silly, especially as it barely impact the character at the end of the day, except when the story was written for it. The death of Jason Todd was voted on, so no surprises there, really. Zero Hour was one of many bigger and smaller reboots to happen in the DCU, starting with the original Crisis. As such it hardly stands out to me when seen in the context of the various Crises, Hypertime, Underworld Unleashed and whatever else they did that allowed them to retcon stuff with an in-story explanation. I can agree on Action Comics #1 in principle and the Speedy drugs story in particular. Not sure about the Dark Phoenix Saga. It was cool and all, mind, but as someone who read those stories in sequence, there was stuff I found more impactful at the time. The first being gentle Colossus killing Proteus and the other one being Days of Future Past. That one really shocked me. How about Trouble? Origins? Those were also truly shocking. Shocking because of how trite they were, granted, but shocking nonetheless. |
And speaking of wolvie's adamantium...him getting reduced to a skeleton in one shot was way more shocking than Mags delacing him.
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Agreed.|
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
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I think the list failed. Any list of shocking comic moments must include Joker shooting Barbara Gordon. It was a seminal event for the DC universe and absolutely nobody saw it coming. My choice for runner up would be Kid Miracleman's ****. But that was more or less a self-contained event. |
I'd also nominate Identity Crisis.
And the whole Hyde/Invisible Man thing from LoEG.
The sex scene with Wasp and Pym in Avengers.
Kyle's girlfriend in the fridge.
Lost Girls. Or pretty much any indie work by Ennis, Moore, or Millar.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
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Originally Posted by Furio
And speaking of wolvie's adamantium...him getting reduced to a skeleton in one shot was way more shocking than Mags delacing him.
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From the sentinel?| him getting reduced to a skeleton in one shot was way more shocking than Mags delacing him. |
Also this picture shocked me cause of the art and how graphic it was.
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Originally Posted by Kawkazn
From the sentinel?
Also this picture shocked me cause of the art and how graphic it was. |
Yup. Gets blasted, and his metal skeleton clatters to the floor. This was before his establishment as WOLVERINE!!! in the 90's, but he was still a bad *** unkillable murder machine...seeing him dealt with so permanently and casually shocked the hell outta pre-teen me.
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Add my vote to the Joker and Barbara from THE KILLING JOKE. What a HOLY CRAP! moment...
One of my other "I swear I never saw it coming" shocks includes the return of Kenneth Irons in WITCHBLADE (the man commited suicide from his penthouse apartment atop a skyscraper, but having been exposed to the Witchblade, I should have known better).
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With the exception of Watchman, all they really did was use DC & Marvel. There are more comic book companys with stories that they could've used for this. *shrugs*
Don't get me wrong, it was a good list.
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Originally Posted by Robo_Knight
With the exception of Watchman, all they really did was use DC & Marvel. There are more comic book companys with stories that they could've used for this. *shrugs*
Don't get me wrong, it was a good list. |
True, but to be *most* shocking, you kinda have to go with the big names. Otherwise you have to do a huge explanation explaining the backstory to show why the climax of it is shocking. "Superman Dies!" is something that anyone will understand the shock value of.
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Johnny Alpha. Now that was schocking. I almost cancelled 2000ad for that.
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Originally Posted by Robo_Knight
With the exception of Watchman, all they really did was use DC & Marvel. There are more comic book companys with stories that they could've used for this. *shrugs*
Don't get me wrong, it was a good list. |
This made me like the Thunderbolts a whoooooooooooole lot more.
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Very much this.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
But oh wait, he came back!!11
If he'd stayed dead, THAT would've been a huge shock. As it stands it's just another in a long line of comic book Soap Opera deaths, as genuine and lasting as any other promotional 'event' in a character's never-ending career. |
I really don't see the point in all the hero deaths and whatnot if nothing is permanent. Either they come miraculusly back to life, usually in very cheap way, or the series gets a reboot. Or both at once! Lame.
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Add to that list Grant Morrison's "indie" work, e.g. The Invisibles, Filth, Zenith. In Zenith's Phase III storyline, he and Steve Yeowell pitilessly killed off several dimensions' worth of superheroes from comparatively innocent British children's comics in a black-and-white massacre that was more bleak than any of D.C.'s increasingly convoluted four-color crises.|
Originally Posted by Agonus
Or pretty much any indie work by Ennis, Moore, or Millar.
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Warren Ellis can also be counted on to deliver shocks in his independent work, such as his take on the limits of superheroism in Black Summer.
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Yeah, but Ellis overplays for shock value. Almost every story he writes has some facet that's disgusting or shocking. As a reader he's completely desensitized me. Worse, when I look past his shocking plays for attention the story is often terrible. (Black Summer being a prime example.) He occasionally has a great story, and usually they're the ones with the least shock value in them. I like Ellis better when he concentrates on being a storyteller, not a shockmaster.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Warren Ellis can also be counted on to deliver shocks in his independent work, such as his take on the limits of superheroism in Black Summer.
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They should filter this list of 'shocking' comic moments for stories that were actually good. That would probably exclude more than half the list.
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Arguably. Black Summer certainly had a phenomenal premise that Ellis couldn't resolve satisfactorily. My own criticism of Ellis is that since he's so fascinated with bizarre ideas and themes, he overloads his works with exposition. Sometimes he makes a virtue of it (Crecy); sometimes he gets by despite it (Planetary); and sometimes he capsizes (Doctor Sleepless).|
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
Yeah, but Ellis overplays for shock value.
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Nonetheless, I'll take his work over yet another mainstream comics publisher's must-have double-bag Death of Captain Obvious any day.
I think the list failed. Any list of shocking comic moments must include Joker shooting Barbara Gordon. It was a seminal event for the DC universe and absolutely nobody saw it coming.
My choice for runner up would be Kid Miracleman's ****. But that was more or less a self-contained event.
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