One important thing to keep in mind is that set IOs in pets only apply to those of the pet's powers that can use that set. That includes Pet Damage IOs... they only affect powers that actually deal damage. That means that, for instance, slotting Ember Demon with Blood Mandate will significantly reduce his endurance use from attacking, but it won't affect his heals or resist aura. Likewise, slotting a Heal / End IO won't help his attacks. Some of the demons have endurance heavy powers other than damage and all of them have pretty draining attack chains, so I'd suggest the following:
Demonlings - Just use Pet a Damage set like Blood Mandate since they only attack.
Demons - I'd use either a generic Endurance Reduction IO or some Hami-Os that include endurance. Unlike set IOs, HOs (and SHOs) apply to every power a pet uses.
Demon Prince - Again, generic or Hamidon IOs are the way to go for endurance. He has non-damaging slow and control powers that won't be affected by Pet Damage IOs. He also needs non-Pet Damage Accuracy to make sure his holds and such hit.
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Slot endurance reduction. Yes, it affects pet attack power end cost. No, it does not only affect the summon cost.
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StrykerX has it in a nutshell, though I'd add that Shiver and Frozen Aura are the only powers the Prince has which are not affected by Damage Sets (and which therefore benefit from extra Endurance and Accuracy slotting) The Prince's hold inherits Damage Buffs so you don't need to worry about it. Note that Acc/Dam HOs and Generic Endurance Reduction IOs should affect everything. Generic Endurance Reduction IOs are very nice, especially for Frozen Aura.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
Demon Prince - Again, generic or Hamidon IOs are the way to go for endurance. He has non-damaging slow and control powers that won't be affected by Pet Damage IOs. He also needs non-Pet Damage Accuracy to make sure his holds and such hit.
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I went the Slow set route on my Demon Prince since so many attacks have slow components. Pacing of the turtle can boost accuracy, damage, end use, oh, and slow, too, which isn't bad considering again how many attacks and auras have slow components.|
Originally Posted by Maelwys
StrykerX has it in a nutshell, though I'd add that Shiver and Frozen Aura are the only powers the Prince has which are not affected by Damage Sets (and which therefore benefit from extra Endurance and Accuracy slotting) The Prince's hold inherits Damage Buffs so you don't need to worry about it. Note that Acc/Dam HOs and Generic Endurance Reduction IOs should affect everything. Generic Endurance Reduction IOs are very nice, especially for Frozen Aura.
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Four Pacing of the turtles with 2 MM pet dmg IOs gives me a 9% accuracy bonus on my MM, too, which doesn't affect pet accuracy but does affect whip debuff accuracy.
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I tested the demon prince and demons with 3 IO endurance reduction with the same results. Something is not right here.
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Its broken , I had 2 level 50 End Red IO's and it didn't do squat, so I said screw it. I switched it to 4 x BM, Sov: 10% Resist and a Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing damage for all his slow powers. If he is going to have no End he might as well do as much damage as possible before he runs out. |
Originally Posted by Mazdryk
I tested the demon prince and demons with 3 IO endurance reduction with the same results. Something is not right here.
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My DS MM is only 29, so I haven't got the upgrades, but my demon prince has been fine with two ordinary pet damage IOs and a smashing damage proc. I do like the idea of swapping to a slow set, though, since absolutely everything it does is slow.
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Unfortunately Frozen Aura doesn't take slow sets, and it's one of the biggest Endurance Hogs the Prince has... the only thing that Slow sets will affect that Pet sets don't is "Shiver". A number of people including myself have /bugged the inheritance thing. Frozen Aura in particular should really be accepting Damage Enhancements.
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Originally Posted by seebs
My DS MM is only 29, so I haven't got the upgrades, but my demon prince has been fine with two ordinary pet damage IOs and a smashing damage proc. I do like the idea of swapping to a slow set, though, since absolutely everything it does is slow.
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Originally Posted by Mazdryk
I tested the demon prince and demons with 3 IO endurance reduction with the same results. Something is not right here.
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And my Demons MM is only 2 levels from being able to switch to Hami-Os so the Prince would finally keep his blue bar.
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3 generic endurance reductions didn't cover it? There is definitely something wrong. We need to PM Castle.
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I am not disputing that frozen aura doesn't take slow sets, but how do you know this? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Maelwys
Unfortunately Frozen Aura doesn't take slow sets, and it's one of the biggest Endurance Hogs the Prince has... the only thing that Slow sets will affect that Pet sets don't is "Shiver". A number of people including myself have /bugged the inheritance thing. Frozen Aura in particular should really be accepting Damage Enhancements.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
I am not disputing that frozen aura doesn't take slow sets, but how do you know this? Thanks.
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I too would like to know how he knows this.
If it doesnt take slow sets then why does an Impeded Swiftness:chance for smashing proc when the demon lord runs into melee? this is before he does the "hand up in the air" shiver animation.
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Frozen Aura != Chilling Embrace/Shiver.
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Originally Posted by Brakner
I too would like to know how he knows this.
If it doesnt take slow sets then why does an Impeded Swiftness:chance for smashing proc when the demon lord runs into melee? this is before he does the "hand up in the air" shiver animation. |
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I am not really sure what to say here about this. Granted my MM is only 35 right now but I do have all the pet powers running on my Demons. The only one that ever really runs out of end is the Ember Demon. I'm trying to figure out a solution slotting wise for him but the others just keep trucking along no problem.|
Originally Posted by StrykerX
Really? Ugh.
And my Demons MM is only 2 levels from being able to switch to Hami-Os so the Prince would finally keep his blue bar. |
I was at a Banner spawn just yesterday for the Halloween event where the Spirits were spawning one after another. It was just myself and another MM there and we were fighting basically non stop for 10ish minutes. I kept a close eye on my Pets end bars as they never got a break and consistently the ember demon was the only one that had any end issues.
Now I am not disputing that you are having an entirely different experience than I am, but maybe there's something else going on here that would explain it.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
I am not disputing that frozen aura doesn't take slow sets, but how do you know this? Thanks.
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Now, granted that the Demons were added in only recently and are a bit buggy. But generally RedTomax's site is dead-on for the allowed slotting of powers. Also, there's been in-game player testing performed earlier on these boards to prove that Frozen Aura in particular is not accepting Damage sets... the damage of that particular power doesn't rise when you slot damage enhancement into the pet summon, so I've no reason to believe that the fact that NoFuture shows it's not flagged to allow Slow Enhancements is incorrect.
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As Nalrok pointed out above, Chilling Embrace is an AoE aura auto power granted to the Prince with the first pet upgrade. It takes slow sets.
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Originally Posted by Brakner
I too would like to know how he knows this.
If it doesnt take slow sets then why does an Impeded Swiftness:chance for smashing proc when the demon lord runs into melee? this is before he does the "hand up in the air" shiver animation. |
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I'm thinking the problem here may lie in the fact that Frozen Aura is not only Damage/Slow, but Sleep. Maybe Frozen Aura is only flagging to inherit the effects from Sleep sets, and no others?
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Originally Posted by Maelwys
As Nalrok pointed out above, Chilling Embrace is an AoE aura auto power granted to the Prince with the first pet upgrade. It takes slow sets.
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I admit, I was confusing chilling embrace with frozen aura on accepting slows. Having said that, the scheme I use for buffing the demon prince with 4 PotT and 2 Pet Damage IO enhancements has seemed to fix my Demon Prince's end hog problem ... for the most part. My ember demon I still have to drop blue pez on from time to time in long fights. I will review his slotting more.
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This demon endurance usage needs to get fixed ASAP. I am level 50 with some nice sets but I cant finish a group of mobs because my pets run out of endurance. Slotting endurance reduction does nothing. I know there are other threads about this but I havent seen anything about a change.