I19 Transit Merger Additional Tweaks


Arbegla

 

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Bah. Confusion is annoying. I think for the time being I'm gonna go with the Dev answer from the panel, and hope really hard the reporter for Massively got it wrong.


"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad View Post
Use the maps we have that are cluttered with so many dots that you can't see the ground unless you zoom in in some cases?
The icons are designed to spread out when you mouse over them.

Personally, I prefer to see the City Map used for this. Much less clutter that way, and it actually gives the City Map a point to its existence. You want a Tailor? Open the City Map and look for a zone with a Tailor icon on it. I'd much prefer that to having it appended to my zone selection menu.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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I like the idea of expanding the BHC line and would also suggest adding one in PO that goes from somewhere around the Arena District out to Fort Hades.

I'd also like to see an Indepedence Port South station added.


 

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Mmm...

Useless, senseless travel has been a pet peeve of mine for years, I do believe a portion of the devs believe in using retarded travel as a simple time sink to make you play the game longer, and perhaps because down deep they are a sadistic bunch.

So I have little reason to believe they would be open to the ideas of placing new transportation stops that would alleviate the sensless cross map travel. For instance look at the missions at Independepence Port, the train, oro or base entries to IP are always on the opposite side of the map to were the missions normally are at, why? So we have to travel the entire length of the map! Notice that many TFs for instance really abuse the use of Steel, Sky and IP which are long rectangular maps and the mission entrances bounce you from opposite end to opposite end with a consistency that defy's the so call randomness of the door entrance.

Frankly if they were to revise the door mission entrances and make them closer to each other, and cut back on inter-zone travel, the need to create new lines would go away.
Even WoW, which has a lot of problems, once you start a thread, it may make you travel a long way to another zone, but once you make it to the zone all the missions of that thread are in that zone (there a few exceptions to this).

But at least, connecting the green and yellow line is a tremendous improvement or counter to the sadistic travel driven developers...

Stormy


 

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Much of that "useless, senseless travel" is a relic of MMO game design circa 2004, when everyone - even WoW - was doing it. Some of it was to add to sense of world, but yes, a lot of it was to stretch out playtime.

You'll note that things have already gotten better and will continue to do so. Heck, I was an early member of the Taxibots and I can tell you the need for our services has gone way down.


My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City

 

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I still want to see travel powers expanded by two more tiers.

At roughly level 30ish you could take "Map Travel". IE: Click on a spot on the map and Run/Jump/Fly/Teleport there instantly.

At roughly Level 40ish you could take "Zone Travel". IE: Any Zone you have previously traveled too (Providing you can go there now with regards to alignment) you click the power and a pull down menu allows you to select the zone to Run/Jump/Fly/Teleport to instantly. . .


 

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Originally Posted by Remaugen View Post
I still want to see travel powers expanded by two more tiers.

At roughly level 30ish you could take "Map Travel". IE: Click on a spot on the map and Run/Jump/Fly/Teleport there instantly.

At roughly Level 40ish you could take "Zone Travel". IE: Any Zone you have previously traveled too (Providing you can go there now with regards to alignment) you click the power and a pull down menu allows you to select the zone to Run/Jump/Fly/Teleport to instantly. . .
I love that suggestion, I have asked for it myself...

Hugs

Stormy


 

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Originally Posted by Megajoule View Post
Much of that "useless, senseless travel" is a relic of MMO game design circa 2004, when everyone - even WoW - was doing it. Some of it was to add to sense of world, but yes, a lot of it was to stretch out playtime.
'Everybody was doing it' just makes it even less justifiable. It's baffling to me that so many horrible game design concepts are standard procedure to MMOs. Arcades, consoles, and even non-MMO PC games evolved much faster and even at their start a game that did half as many stupid things as MMOs do would have been a massive bomb.

The average MMO is essentially the multiplayer equivalent of Atari's ET, right down to the use of randomness rather than gameplay.


A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!

 

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They aren't "stupid", they simply serve a different set of goals. You mentioned arcade games - what about all the ones that were designed to suck maximum quarters out of the average player's pockets while giving him just enough playtime to be "worth" it? (i.e. most of them?) The goal there is not to maximize the player's fun, but the arcade owner's profit.


My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City

 

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That's actually why I mentioned it... they were another example of a similar technique, but...

The most popular titles did it less. Pac-Man got stupidly hard at the highest levels, but didn't use anything that was an obvious ploy to artifically take quarters. In the better games you would not be charged if you didn't lose. Naturally, the diffuculty could be high, but that enhanced the experience to go with its economic motives. It wasn't blatantly just a way to #$%^ the customer. And at least most arcade games did not include huge expanses of nothing just so you would have to pay more.


A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!

 

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Originally Posted by Megajoule View Post
I'm going to second the "no, too busy" dissent against #1. It's your city: learn it, or read a map.
Really? Its that difficult to add map symbols for things like Icon?


I'm all for this.