Did he Have Time To Plan for those exams?
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Antigonus,
Posted on: 2010-10-08 13:35 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Not that hard to imagine as it is in current canon that Bruce was an FBI agent before going the Batman route which gives us a pretty clear timeline of what happened...
Multiple universities, finally getting his degree in Law at Yale by the time he was 20
Worked in some law firm or something like that for 3 years
Joined the FBI at 23/24. Decided it wasn't right for him
Left on a year long journey
Returned and Became batman at 25
Considering that Bruce was to have become a special Agent it always baffles me when he says stuff like he has to appear to be incompetent when it's a matter of record that he scored top marks in every FBI requirement...
But then you know Barbara got her Law degree and passed the Bar on the side via internet classes.
Also... Now that I am thinking about it. It might not be his. His great great, I think it's 2 greats, grandfather that had all the gothic stuff built in Gotham was a Judge so he must have got his law degree somewhere and we all know how Bruce is about keeping Wayne memorabilia
It's a forgery. Yale post graduate diplomas are in Latin.
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wasn't his journey originally 10 years long?
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Not that hard to imagine as it is in current canon that Bruce was an FBI agent before going the Batman route which gives us a pretty clear timeline of what happened...
Multiple universities, finally getting his degree in Law at Yale by the time he was 20 Worked in some law firm or something like that for 3 years Joined the FBI at 23/24. Decided it wasn't right for him Left on a year long journey Returned and Became batman at 25 Considering that Bruce was to have become a special Agent it always baffles me when he says stuff like he has to appear to be incompetent when it's a matter of record that he scored top marks in every FBI requirement... But then you know Barbara got her Law degree and passed the Bar on the side via internet classes. |
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where did you get that Bruce was part of a law firm? youve been digging through a lot of the older issues of late, but that hasn't been a part of his origin since at least a little before Zero Hour/Knightfall AFAIK. As for the FBI, he attended the academy, but never actually became a full field agent. He left because they were more focused on 'law' and less on 'justice'. (ugh, i need to dig that one up, that came from one of those anniversary issues of Detective Comics, but it's been a looooong time since i read it)
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Multiple universities, finally getting his degree in Law at Yale by the time he was 20
Worked in some law firm or something like that for 3 years Joined the FBI at 23/24. Decided it wasn't right for him Left on a year long journey Returned and Became batman at 25 |
Looks more like he graduated from "Viale" University to me...
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The Wayne family must have some equestrian horses and the bust is one of their prize horses.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
In an unrelated matter, for those who check out the panel itself, whoever supplies the best explanation for know why Bruce Wayne has a bust of a depressed-looking horse on his bookshelf wins a prize.
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Way to many alts.
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it's a sad pez dispenser.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
In an unrelated matter, for those who check out the panel itself, whoever supplies the best explanation for know why Bruce Wayne has a bust of a depressed-looking horse on his bookshelf wins a prize.
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Requirements for being an FBI Special Agent is 3 years experience in whatever area of entrance that got you in. There are a couple possibilities, such as he could have a CPA (accounting degree) and they could just view him being owner of Wayne Enterprises as experience.|
Originally Posted by Veritech
where did you get that Bruce was part of a law firm? youve been digging through a lot of the older issues of late, but that hasn't been a part of his origin since at least a little before Zero Hour/Knightfall AFAIK. As for the FBI, he attended the academy, but never actually became a full field agent. He left because they were more focused on 'law' and less on 'justice'. (ugh, i need to dig that one up, that came from one of those anniversary issues of Detective Comics, but it's been a looooong time since i read it)
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As far as the journey that Bruce took. He started training at a young age and throughout High School and College it is known that he took many courses in many different schools. Supposedly he played stupid in many of his classes, but must have done just good enough to get at least one degree. He traveled around a lot during this period of time, as mentioned, and it is likely that he took advanced placement classes and tested out of a lot of his classes allowing him to finish HighSchool or College early.
At some point Bruce must have picked up 3 years experience or had his running of Wayne Enterprise looked at as experience, most likely not if they were focused on law...in which case it is likely that he worked for a law firm before the age of 23 (the minimum age requirement for a Special Agent)
I think that when they are leaving after Infinite Crisis Bruce mentions that the Journey they are going to take is the same journey he took before he became Batman and that it was indeed a 1 year journey. So his history looks something like this....
Age 50: assuming it's been a year Bruce Returns and forms Batman Inc./Wendy Harris becomes Proxy, Oracle's Apprentice
Age 49: Batman R.I.P. happens/Final Crisis/Dick becomes Batman III/Tim becomes Red Robin/Damian becomes Robin IV/Stephanie becomes Batgirl IV
Age 48: Gordon returns as Commissioner/Bruce and Tim return as Batman and Robin/ World War III happens/ Damian is introduced/ Ra's al Ghul ressurected
Age 47: 52 journey begins
Age 46: Jason returns as Red Hood/OMAC Project/Infinite Crisis
Age 45: HUSH/Tim resigns/ Stephanie becomes Robin IV/Steph fired/War Games/Tim returns as Robin III/Identity Crisis
Age 44: Framed for Murder
Age 43: Gordon Resigns
Age 42: No Man's Land happens/Helena becomes Batgirl II and fired/Cassandra Cain becomes Batgirl III
Age 41: Contagion and Cataclysm happens
Age 40: Knight Saga happens / Zero Hour happens
Age 39: Barbarat becomes Oracle / Tim becomes Robin III
Age 38: Barbara Crippled / Jason killed / Millenium happens
Age 37: Crisis on Infinite Earths happens / Joins Justice League International
Age 36: Adopts Jason, Robin II / Dick becomes Nightwing
Age 35: Leaves JLA / Forms Outsiders
Age 34: Removes Dick as Robin I
Age 33: Barbara elected to Congress
Age 32: Meets Ra's al Ghul
Age 31: Builds JLA Satellite HQ
Age 30: Batman Y5
Age 29: Gordon becomes Commissioner / Batgirl I(16) joins Batman
Age 28: Adopts Dick Grayson, Robin I / Joins JLA
Age 27: Batman Y2
Age 26: Batman Y1
Age 25: 1 year world spanning journey
Age 24:
Age 23: FBI Special Agent
Age 22: likely Law firm job
Age 21: likely Law firm job
Age 20: Graduated College with a 4 year degree / likely Law firm job
Age 19: College
Age 18: College
Age 17: High School
Age 16: High School
Age 15: High School
Age 14: Starts his Journey/Begins HighSchool
Age 13:
Age 12:
Age 11:
Age 10:
Age 09:
Age 08: Parents Died
>.> I was just gonna do up to 26 but meh whatever lol
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or when they wrote that part about him joining the FBI academy back in the '80s (which is when i remember the reference from) no one bothered to check what the ACTUAL entrance requirements were. because you can infer he might've served with a firm, but i don't see where it's ever been spelled out.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Requirements for being an FBI Special Agent is 3 years experience in whatever area of entrance that got you in. There are a couple possibilities, such as he could have a CPA (accounting degree) and they could just view him being owner of Wayne Enterprises as experience.
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That's true that I doubt they actually paid attention but meh...|
Originally Posted by Veritech
or when they wrote that part about him joining the FBI academy back in the '80s (which is when i remember the reference from) no one bothered to check what the ACTUAL entrance requirements were. because you can infer he might've served with a firm, but i don't see where it's ever been spelled out.
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The site stating the FBI requirements say that it's 3 years of work experience, but doesn't specify that it has to be in the field of entrance. This means that Bruce could probably qualify without working at a law firm. But, the fact that he does get into the FBI still means that he must have gotten a degree in one of the following fields
1. Accounting
2. Computer Science/Information Technology
3. Language
4. Law
5. Diversified
Since he was trying to keep a low profile I actually doubt it was Law and since it didn't really exist Comp Science is likely out... Bruce also says he's not to good with computers with Tim joins up.
That leaves Accounting, Language, and Diversified. While accounting would be natural he always feigns not being very good at business and this would look bad so that rules out Accounting. So Language or Diversified is most likely the degree path he followed. Language would be a natural thing for him and an easy thing to explain considering he is always traveling and it is likely that he'd have just picked it up without effort.
So yeah...I think your somewhat right.
If we say that Bruce tried HS and found it boring so figured a way around it and got a GED. Then he also did mail courses in various fields and got a 4 year degree in language. Then consider his job at Wayne Enterprises counted for the 3 years work.
He then stayed with it for most of 23 and 24. Went on his year journey at 24, came back at 25. Tried his hands at vigilantism...failed and then became batman. this preserves the 10 yr journey the 1 year journey, the not trying too hard identity, having been in the FBI, and having time to get all the schooling he requires to have done it....but only if we consider his journey to be not a journey but rather a "we're not in Gotham thus this qualifies as a journey" journey.
The legal profession has recently discovered that Batman may have been a graduate of Yale Law School. In Detective Comics #439 (March 1974, so before the first series of major DC retcons), a "Diploma of Law" from "Yale University at Gotham" is hanging on the wall of Bruce Wayne's study. Yale Law alumnus Mark Dwyer, a judge of the New York Court of Claims, noted the diploma in the background of a panel in the comic and brought it to the attention of the Yale Law Library, where an enlargement of the diploma is currently being featured in the library's exhibit, "Superheroes in Court!: Lawyers, Law and Comic Books."
A bit more detail can be found at http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/rare...l-alumnus.aspx .
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This didn't surprise me much. As CaH/VC forum habitues may know, I don't much care for the character of Batman. One big reason for that is that, in my view,* he displays a lot of the same traits of personality that, in my experience, plague attorneys: self-righteousness, a belief that his work takes precedence over every other aspect of his life, taking himself far too seriously, and a belief that devotion to justice and "the people" in the abstract excuse coldness, nastiness, and contempt directed toward many individuals, especially friends, with whom he interacts.
In an unrelated matter, for those who check out the panel itself, whoever supplies the best explanation for know why Bruce Wayne has a bust of a depressed-looking horse on his bookshelf wins a prize.
* Cue someone posting that I "just don't get Batman." Not everyone has to "get" him.
Edited to correct spelling of "justice," because you can't have justice without u.
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