Let me in
I watched "Let the Right One In" many months ago, and thoroughly enjoyed it. I have meant to, but never got around to reading the novel. It has an actual story, spending some time on actual character development rather than following Hollywood's current breakneck pacing trend.
These American remakes smack of pure laziness on the part of filmmakers here. Every other movie now is either a remake or a 3D film. That being said, Let The Right One In was better than the remake in every way.
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Still, it is nice that the english version will likely garner additional attention for a worthy story (and help re-darken vampires after all this twilight tween-ishness). EDIT: or not, now that I see the box office figures. *sadness*
Normally I don't like "remade" movies, especially ones that are based on recent originals. So when I heard "Let Me In" was based on a Swedish film made just 2 years ago I initially figured it was going to be a cheesy knock-off.
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I am pleased to hear positive reviews, and I look forward to seeing it.
And notably, I understand both movies manage to dodge a significant plot element from the novel (based on what I have read).
And notably, I understand both movies manage to dodge a significant plot element from the novel (based on what I have read).
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I also heard that they took out one shock scene from LTROI...well, not really took it out but changed it significantly, since I now know what scene they are talking about and remember the scene in Let Me In. However, from what I read most people had problems with the scene in the first place and thought it was totally needless. So from what I read, it sounds like a good change as well.
From what I hear about the book, the plot element was when Elli (Abby in Let Me In) met Hakan (The Father in Let Me In), which was a lot later than portrayed in the movie. I think the movie version of that element plays out much better.
I also heard that they took out one shock scene from LTROI...well, not really took it out but changed it significantly, since I now know what scene they are talking about and remember the scene in Let Me In. However, from what I read most people had problems with the scene in the first place and thought it was totally needless. So from what I read, it sounds like a good change as well. |
The pedophilia or the homosexuality? I thought I addressed both points.
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***possible SPOILERS***
My understanding is that the book makes it unavoidably clear that the vampire is not female, but is a disfigured boy. And spends time on the topic as a central theme. And comments about LTROI in a couple sources I remember reading after seeing the movie complain/note that it did not spend as much time on it. Interestingly it appears there were deleted scenes that explored this more, at least according to a quick wikipedia-check.
I hadn't even given any thought to the other. I had just assumed that Eli/Abby had aquired him as a far, far younger individual who had stayed by his/her side throughout his lifetime, and had not thought more explicitly about a pedophilia aspect. I can easily see the new companion being Hakan/Dad in a few decades...
***possible SPOILERS***
My understanding is that the book makes it unavoidably clear that the vampire is not female, but is a disfigured boy. And spends time on the topic as a central theme. And comments about LTROI in a couple sources I remember reading after seeing the movie complain/note that it did not spend as much time on it. Interestingly it appears there were deleted scenes that explored this more, at least according to a quick wikipedia-check. I hadn't even given any thought to the other. I had just assumed that Eli/Abby had aquired him as a far, far younger individual who had stayed by his/her side throughout his lifetime, and had not thought more explicitly about a pedophilia aspect. I can easily see the new companion being Hakan/Dad in a few decades... |
As I understand it, there was a quick scene showing Eli was not all girl so to speak in Let the Right One In. From what I read, many people had real problems with it, and wished it not being in the movie at all. In Let Me In, the scene is changed, and keeps the perspective that Abby's comments about herself being not a girl is that she inferring that she is the monster that she is. She even stops saying it, after Owen learns what she is.
From what I read about LTROI there are other changes in motivations as well, in LMI, Abby is portrayed as a monster and Owen a good kid being turned to the darkside, while in LTROI Eli is remorseful about what she is, and Oscar is conveyed somewhat as a monster. I will watch LTROI myself (though I'm saving it for Halloween), but so far from what I've read, I think I'll like LMI better.
As for what was changed from the book, it was the pedophillia aspect of Eli and Hakan's relationship that was avoided in both movies, which in my opinion served the story better.
***possible SPOILERS***
My understanding is that the book makes it unavoidably clear that the vampire is not female, but is a disfigured boy. And spends time on the topic as a central theme. And comments about LTROI in a couple sources I remember reading after seeing the movie complain/note that it did not spend as much time on it. Interestingly it appears there were deleted scenes that explored this more, at least according to a quick wikipedia-check. I hadn't even given any thought to the other. I had just assumed that Eli/Abby had aquired him as a far, far younger individual who had stayed by his/her side throughout his lifetime, and had not thought more explicitly about a pedophilia aspect. I can easily see the new companion being Hakan/Dad in a few decades... |
Spoilers below (don't read).
As I understand it, there was a quick scene showing Eli was not all girl so to speak in Let the Right One In. From what I read, many people had real problems with it, and wished it not being in the movie at all. In Let Me In, the scene is changed, and keeps the perspective that Abby's comments about herself being not a girl is that she inferring that she is the monster that she is. She even stops saying it, after Owen learns what she is. From what I read about LTROI there are other changes in motivations as well, in LMI, Abby is portrayed as a monster and Owen a good kid being turned to the darkside, while in LTROI Eli is remorseful about what she is, and Oscar is conveyed somewhat as a monster. I will watch LTROI myself (though I'm saving it for Halloween), but so far from what I've read, I think I'll like LMI better. As for what was changed from the book, it was the pedophillia aspect of Eli and Hakan's relationship that was avoided in both movies, which in my opinion served the story better. |
To be precise, in the book, Eli was a eunuch before being changed to a vampire. I don't know if leaving out the pedophilia "better" serves the story, it just may not ruin/damage it. I think it helped establish a sadness about the characters and made Hakan pretty scary. It also showed one way that a "child" vampire could find a true confidant to "take care" of them and get them the blood they required. A very unchildlike yet smart way of getting around in society. It's tough subject matter for sure, but I think it adds to the original story.
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Spoilers below (don't read).
As I understand it, there was a quick scene showing Eli was not all girl so to speak in Let the Right One In. From what I read, many people had real problems with it, and wished it not being in the movie at all. In Let Me In, the scene is changed, and keeps the perspective that Abby's comments about herself being not a girl is that she inferring that she is the monster that she is. She even stops saying it, after Owen learns what she is. |
From what I read about LTROI there are other changes in motivations as well, in LMI, Abby is portrayed as a monster and Owen a good kid being turned to the darkside, while in LTROI Eli is remorseful about what she is, and Oscar is conveyed somewhat as a monster.
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Actually, I remember thinking it had some interesting parallel themes with 'Interview with a Vampire'.
I will watch LTROI myself (though I'm saving it for Halloween), but so far from what I've read, I think I'll like LMI better.
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I am looking forward to LMI, I'll probably try to catch it this weekend.
Spoiler and pretty delicate subject matter below.............................
To be precise, in the book, Eli was a eunuch before being changed to a vampire. I don't know if leaving out the pedophilia "better" serves the story, it just may not ruin/damage it. I think it helped establish a sadness about the characters and made Hakan pretty scary. It also showed one way that a "child" vampire could find a true confidant to "take care" of them and get them the blood they required. A very unchildlike yet smart way of getting around in society. It's tough subject matter for sure, but I think it adds to the original story. |
What I thought was really interesting in Let Me In was how The Father was portrayed. The scene on the bed where he was listening to the walkman and how he was seated, and the tantrum like-way he argued with Abby conveyed subtly that he was not an old man, but a boy that never grew up, just older, which is I think serves the plot better. When it was revealed what he is, you look back at the subtle moments (at least I did) and say oh I should have seen that! Then by the end, you think back see the sad existence that Owen puts himself in (so no need for a sequel).
In the theater now for a matinee. Will post after with my thoughts.
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Well funny you should ask. As soon as I got out of the theater and home it was time for No Ordinary Family and then so on and so on and so on then sleep then work then NOW I have time to write out my thoughts.
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A little background for perspective reasons. I bought the book and the movie at the same time when it first came out on DVD (Target had some kind of special on the two together or something like that if I remember). I made a point to read the book first then watch the movie after. Really enjoyed both, a lot. Went to see LMI yesterday afternoon. (as stated before)
Overall- I think it's a good rendering of the source material, maybe a tad incomplete. The book itself is pretty dense with information and many more characters but I think the American version did a good job of telling the core story while hitting most of the important plot points along the way (just as the Swedish film did). The child actors did a great job and I think it's safe to say that Chloe Moretz is going to be a huge star one day. As far as it's relationship to the Swedish movie they both feel extremely similar in look, tone and pace. They did seem to take strides in making the two movies feel like the same story. My first feeling was it seemed like the movies were twins, but fraternal twins. I'll agree with someone earlier who said if you liked the first chances are you'll like the second. I'd venture a guess if you hated the Swedish film you won't care much for the American version. I enjoyed it and think as a remake it worked and as a film it worked.
Differences- (And I'd like to point out not all of the things I'll list here are necessarily bad, just different. I'll try to give my take on pro or con.) They did play a little bit with the relationship between Abby and "her father" and their relationship to make it seem less sexual and more old friendship. But I would point out that they didn't take that possibility off the table either, just that it seemed a little more platonic. The book and the Swedish film don't shy around the subject, it is what it is. Personally I think it's pretty important to the story, and while it's a very uneasy subject I think it does add a dimension of sadness and terror to the original story. Leaving this out, or at least heavily covered it up, didn't ruin the movie for me though. It just made the story a little more "shallow" or "unflavored". (More on this in a minute) They also did up the BOO! moments a bit and threw in a bit more gore, none of which were gratuitous or over hyperstylized like some American horror cliches. At some points it was a bit too CGI-y, but not a gamestopper. One thing I did notice very different from Swedish movie and book was the fact that most of the victims were relatively unknown to the viewer, where the book and even the Swedish film did a good job of letting us get to know these people and that makes their deaths all the more jarring (personally).
I really wanted to see the barfly's and hear their stories and see their stories. Having Virginia/Victoria and her story get distilled down to a few minutes didn't carry the weight it did in book or original film. Her transformation is the moment where the reader and viewer start to realize a lot of plot points up to that moment: why Eli sends Hakan to collect the blood, if she does have to feed directly from someone why she has to break their neck, etc. What took place over many days and was tragic and touching at the same time, was pretty much turned into a fancy FX shot. Sad, but not fatal. I also think there were subtle changes in the approach towards the children. This Owen (Oscar) was a little less sympathetic to me, and a bit more accepting of what Abby was doing. The Swedish Oscar (Owen) seemed a bit more innocent and less accepting to me. I think there was something very interesting and menacing in having the Swedish film Eli (Abby) be androgynous whereas the American version was so cute and feminine. The only way to make her stand out was not wearing shoes in the winter. The Swedish version had an otherworldly quality about their appearance that, for me, brought a certain cache and weight (and as I said in another post a sadness) to the part. The thing about the original characters in the book was they were both misfits and while we see Owen getting treated like a misfit, we don't get that from Abby as she looks relatively normal, especially after bathing. But as I said Chloe Moretz did a great job. Their relationship in the American version was fleshed out a little more and did have a bit more romance and sweetness (and suprisingly a bit more sexuality) than either the book or original movie did. Not enough to change the overall feel, but palapable and I think another way to soften it for the "American audience". In the book it was less about physical attraction and more about friendship between two friendless outcasts.
Back to the American Abby (Eli) and her "father". With the changes they made here it greatly changed the dynamic of the ending, even though it's almost a word-for-word/frame-for-frame recreation. Where in the book and first movie, it's more like two lost souls riding off into the sunset, what you see in this version is that she's merely recruiting her next companion and that Owen will end up with the same sad fate as "The Father". So in a way, maybe this ending works better, because upon looking back at the original two, that was what he'd end up being anyway; he was afterall, a boy and she a vampire. So it's hard to say which "works", but the American ending was a little less arty and a little more pragmatic.
Like with most adaptations my preference lies with the book (the original source material) as I think it has many more layers of flavor and nuance that you can't get from shortform media. While the overall story isn't really about what kind of "relationship" Abby has with the Father, it gives a depth and sadness to the character and the book that goes beyond a little boy and girl becoming friends against great odds. Some people prefer a distilled story, some like the full course dinner. Me, I like my books wordy with a gross amount of details. A comparison of the movies as I said before: fraternal twins or two sides of the same coin...if you like one you'll like the other yadda yadda. BUT I would encourage anyone to partake of any combination of these properties, they are all quite good and can be enjoyed alone, as a duo or even a full set.
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I had a chance to see it, and thought it was actually pretty good, and considering I am really so not a fan of gore, I appreciated the slightly less emphasis the film placed on that annoying element of modern horror.
And, hope you guys do not mind, but I forwarded your comments to my wife's uncle John Ptak. He is an executive producer for the movie (bought the rights at Tribeca), and was nervous about the reception!
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Good review, you saw pretty much the same things I did. I'll remember to look at the Swedish films with the same open eyes when I see it on Halloween.
Thanks for the thoughts, MentalMaden. You have kept my appetite wetted to see it, and re-encouraged me to get the book.
I hope I make it to the theater for it this weekend.
And if not, it is adding to the top of my DVD queue as soon as it is out.
Like with most adaptations my preference lies with the book (the original source material) as I think it has many more layers of flavor and nuance that you can't get from shortform media. While the overall story isn't really about what kind of "relationship" Abby has with the Father, it gives a depth and sadness to the character and the book that goes beyond a little boy and girl becoming friends against great odds. Some people prefer a distilled story, some like the full course dinner. Me, I like my books wordy with a gross amount of details. A comparison of the movies as I said before: fraternal twins or two sides of the same coin...if you like one you'll like the other yadda yadda. BUT I would encourage anyone to partake of any combination of these properties, they are all quite good and can be enjoyed alone, as a duo or even a full set.
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I personally enjoyed the exploration of the relationship between the vampire and her apparently older original companion. I haven't read the book yet to know if it clearly defined how old Abby/Eli was but even from the American film it was made pretty clear that she was at least 50+ years old (perhaps even much older).
I know this relationship has been described as "pedophilic" because that's the first thing people think of when they see a hinted-at sexual relationship between someone who looks like an older man and a "person" who looks like a 12 year old girl. But the vampire factor makes this story interesting because you have to force yourself to realize that the "little girl" in this relationship is quite likely far older (mentally if not physically) than the supposedly old man is. Can you really label something like this pedophilic when both parties in the relationship are at least many, many decades old? As a twist you then have to realize that the relationship between Abby and Owen is actually the more aptly named pedophilic relationship in this story because even though they both 'look' to be about 12 years old Abby is of course much, much older than Owen is.
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Based on what's been said in this thread so far it seems like you could actually take the book, the Swedish film and the American film together as three versions of a single Rashomon styled story. Each version highlights different elements of the core story and collectively makes them all stronger for it.
*** spoiler alert *** I personally enjoyed the exploration of the relationship between the vampire and her apparently older original companion. I haven't read the book yet to know if it clearly defined how old Abby/Eli was but even from the American film it was made pretty clear that she was at least 50+ years old (perhaps even much older). I know this relationship has been described as "pedophilic" because that's the first thing people think of when they see a hinted-at sexual relationship between someone who looks like an older man and a "person" who looks like a 12 year old girl. But the vampire factor makes this story interesting because you have to force yourself to realize that the "little girl" in this relationship is quite likely far older (mentally if not physically) than the supposedly old man is. Can you really label something like this pedophilic when both parties in the relationship are at least many, many decades old? As a twist you then have to realize that the relationship between Abby and Owen is actually the more aptly named pedophilic relationship in this story because even though they both 'look' to be about 12 years old Abby is of course much, much older than Owen is. |
Eli in the book is several hundred years old. They were taken into a castle as a child and made a eunuch and was abused by the strange lord of the castle and turned to be a child forever. The fact all of this was done pre puberty explains his androgynous appearance.
Hakan (in the book) is a former teacher who was fired because it was revealed he was a pedophile. Eli used Hakan to procure blood from people as to not create more vampires and paid him with money even though he said he would do it for free. He makes several requests for physical contact but it is never reciprocated from Eli. And even after Eli finally gives in, events get in the way of it ever happening.
And even though technically Eli isn't a child, Eli looks like one and is therefore attractive to certain predator types and has in the past used it as a method of getting blood.
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Book spoilers and delicate content.................................
Eli in the book is several hundred years old. They were taken into a castle as a child and made a eunuch and was abused by the strange lord of the castle and turned to be a child forever. The fact all of this was done pre puberty explains his androgynous appearance. Hakan (in the book) is a former teacher who was fired because it was revealed he was a pedophile. Eli used Hakan to procure blood from people as to not create more vampires and paid him with money even though he said he would do it for free. He makes several requests for physical contact but it is never reciprocated from Eli. And even after Eli finally gives in, events get in the way of it ever happening. And even though technically Eli isn't a child, Eli looks like one and is therefore attractive to certain predator types and has in the past used it as a method of getting blood. |
So Hakan was a pedophile with other kids and Eli is centuries old and used the lure of pedophilia while hunting as a vampire. Both those bits of info don't really shatter my background "expectations" of those characters. Ultimately the collective story here still makes you question which relationships between the three main characters could really be considered strictly pedophilic or not. The lines get blurred and I think that's part of what makes this story interesting.
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LoL, looking at the thread title, I came in here expecting to see people whining about the servers still being down nearly two hours past the estimated time. Instead I find a discussion about vamp soaps. I guess it's refreshing in a sense. At least we have something else to talk about.
LoL, looking at the thread title, I came in here expecting to see people whining about the servers still being down nearly two hours past the estimated time. Instead I find a discussion about vamp soaps. I guess it's refreshing in a sense. At least we have something else to talk about.
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If anything around here is a non-stop whiny "soap" it's the people who spew up those kinds of silly threads.
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LoL, looking at the thread title, I came in here expecting to see people whining about the servers still being down nearly two hours past the estimated time. Instead I find a discussion about vamp soaps. I guess it's refreshing in a sense. At least we have something else to talk about.
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Trust me, Let the Right One In is anything but a vamp soap. No sparkles or delusions of "vegetarian" vampires. In this book they are nasty nasty creatures who kill, manipulate, and fry up crispy when exposed to sunlight. And it's far from a book for tweens.
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Yeah, that goes for the movies as well. It's what I liked most about LMI, Abby was nasty, manipulative, and monstrous...and didn't sparkle...well once when she got flash burned by the sun, and yet they still made a great vampire romance that was believable in a way you can say, yeah I can see why Owen is attracted to her and develops feeling for her, and why he makes the choices he does, sad that it is.
Book spoilers and delicate content.................................
Eli in the book is several hundred years old. They were taken into a castle as a child and made a eunuch and was abused by the strange lord of the castle and turned to be a child forever. The fact all of this was done pre puberty explains his androgynous appearance. Hakan (in the book) is a former teacher who was fired because it was revealed he was a pedophile. Eli used Hakan to procure blood from people as to not create more vampires and paid him with money even though he said he would do it for free. He makes several requests for physical contact but it is never reciprocated from Eli. And even after Eli finally gives in, events get in the way of it ever happening. And even though technically Eli isn't a child, Eli looks like one and is therefore attractive to certain predator types and has in the past used it as a method of getting blood. |
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*sigh* I have the book coming in a few days and am looking forward to reading it, but I'm really upset to see she is a he. That is just stupid. I plain refuse to acknoledge those 3 seconds in Let the right one in movie. lol. It makes no sense (without having read the book) why pretend to be a girl. it kind of ruins things. but whatever like I said I loved the original and just ignore that part, and will see the new movie soon. I just think the crying game crap doesn't add anything to the story at all.
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It's really not so much a Crying Game situation. Eli doesn't really identify with a gender and never really attempts to pose as one or the other, after hundreds of years Eli is just Eli. Just due to the way Eli looks people assumed they are female. i.e. it's not really a big part of the book; no bigger than it is in the original movie. It just gives a bit of the background.
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Is Let the Right One In really that obscure? The only reason I even bothered looking into it were numerous reviews that called it the best horror movie in the last 10 years. Sorta like... whatwasthatotheroverratedmoviecalled... The Host getting ranked so high on sci-fi lists. Hell, I (regretfully) bought The Host at Wal-Mart after all the hype.
For me Let the Right One In was "obscure" enough because A) I had never heard of it until Let Me In and B) any movie that only manages $7.2 million in worldwide box office can't be something that would be considered in the "common public knowledge". I'd be willing to bet if (especially before Let Me In was made) you went and asked 20 average Americans about Let the Right One In most of them would tell you they never heard of it. Take that for what you will.
Having seen Let Me In I do now want to see Let the Right One In just to understand and be knowledgeable of the differences. I suspect what I'll find is that each of them did some things better and some things worse respectively. Obviously it's also possible I'll agree with you and realize the American remake is vastly superior. Who knows until I've seen them both I guess.
What I do know is that IMDB has Let the Right One In rated on their top #250 list so all I can say is that I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt at this point.
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