Energor

Originally Posted by MentalMaden

Book spoilers and delicate content.................................









Eli in the book is several hundred years old. They were taken into a castle as a child and made a eunuch and was abused by the strange lord of the castle and turned to be a child forever. The fact all of this was done pre puberty explains his androgynous appearance.

Hakan (in the book) is a former teacher who was fired because it was revealed he was a pedophile. Eli used Hakan to procure blood from people as to not create more vampires and paid him with money even though he said he would do it for free. He makes several requests for physical contact but it is never reciprocated from Eli. And even after Eli finally gives in, events get in the way of it ever happening.

And even though technically Eli isn't a child, Eli looks like one and is therefore attractive to certain predator types and has in the past used it as a method of getting blood.

Originally Posted by Lothic

I'm an engineer by trade IRL. Sci-Fi movies doing "impossible" things don't bother me as long as they explain the reason why they're defying traditional logic/physics. My "suspension of disbelief" is simple in those cases. I can even get over major canon changes, again if there's adequate explanation (i.e. the Spock/Uhura love thing and having Kirk's father killed all happened in the "alternate" timeline). I can even buy Chekov saving Kirk and Sulu because he had a few minutes to get to the Transporter Room and I happen to accept the fact that this ship is NOT THAT BIG to begin with. You are still suffering under the assumption that this is a ship as big as the one we see in TNG.

But when things are physically impossible (like the size/layout of that engineering room relative to what they've told me about that ship) for no constructive reason that bothers me. I guess I just like to have things internally consistent in my movies, literally in the case of this room. *shrugs*

And for what it's worth this whole "engineering room size/layout" deal would be like #89 on my top 100 reasons to dislike this movie.

Originally Posted by Lothic

Again I never strictly said an engine room had to look pristine and clean. I'm just saying an industrial distillery the size of a warehouse does not look appropriate on a 23rd century ship that has an iBridge that looks like a 27th century timewarp vessel. Sorry, but it doesn't.

And for another bit of "Star Trek 101" I'll cover what's wrong with the size of the engine room we saw: The crew of a galaxy class ship in the time of TNG might have had over thousand family/crew. But since this movie was technically set at the "beginning" of the TOS era the ships were relatively smaller (even considering the "reimagining" of Abrams). The numbers always varied a bit depending on what source you cite, but the Constitution class Enterprise never had more than around 400-500 crew.

According to every dimension you care to mention for ANY of these ships (TOS, TNG and/or AbramsTrek) a room the size of the one we saw in this movie was ridiculously too big. Even though the JJprise was pegged at being like 700 meters long the room we saw would have filled maybe half of that in all three dimensions. Stupidity on that order simply doesn't deserve to be in a movie that otherwise has some good things going for it all things considered.

I don't mind that Abrams decided to toy around with established Star Trek canon.
But when he made simple "set scaling" and design choice errors I don't see the need to cut him any slack. *shrugs*

Originally Posted by Lothic

Nerd speed ahead, Mr. Sulu...

Imagine how nice car engines a few hundred years from now are going to look in relation to the rest of the car (of course assuming we still use anything like a car at that point).

Anyway have you ever seen -any- of the rest of the Star Trek shows or movies? We sure as heck know Abrams hasn't. Even Enterprise (which is suppose to be set like 100 years -before- this latest movie) has an engine room that at least stylistically matches the bridge. JJ couldn't have made these two things on his new ship look much different if he had used the look and styling of a cathedral versus the insides of an igloo.

I'm not suggesting the bridge has to be all that much cleaner/nicer than the engine room of a ship. I'm just suggesting it has to look like it's ON the same ship that bridge is on an not some kind of holodeck simulation.

P.S. I won't even mention (much) the failure of scale Abrams achieved with that stupid engine room of his. If that 'room' was actually on a ship the ship would have to be about 3 times bigger than it actually was to accommodate it.

Originally Posted by Lothic

That was actually one of the bigger "problems" I had with movie. I sort of didn't mind the "ibridge" that was clearly designed by Apple and I sort of didn't mind the steampunk distillery as the engineering room when considered separately. What bugged me was how both of those things were on the SAME ship?!? Talk about a jarring mismatch.

You can make fun all you want about the cheesy 1960's styled look of the original series. But at least all the different rooms of that old TV Enterprise looked like they all belonged together on the same ship. JJ Abrams' ship looked like they gathered junk parts from a ship scrapyard and welded it all together piecemeal.