Knockback IOs


Minotaur

 

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...-KB, specifically.

If I have one slotted in the power I get at 32, and I exemp to, say, 12, do I get the benefits of the IO?

Does it matter if I exemp below the IO's level? The power's level?

Thanks for the help.


 

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyThere View Post
...-KB, specifically.

If I have one slotted in the power I get at 32, and I exemp to, say, 12, do I get the benefits of the IO?

Does it matter if I exemp below the IO's level? The power's level?

Thanks for the help.
Set Bonuses are constant percent benefits, unaffected by the level of the enhancement. Set Bonuses are lost when a character exemplars more than three levels below the level of the Invention Enhancement. An Invention Enhancement's level affects the strength of its basic enhancement bonus.

The only IO's that keep their properties no matter what level you are exempt down to are unique sets.

Hope this helps


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Originally Posted by Nitra View Post
Set Bonuses are constant percent benefits, unaffected by the level of the enhancement. Set Bonuses are lost when a character exemplars more than three levels below the level of the Invention Enhancement. An Invention Enhancement's level affects the strength of its basic enhancement bonus.

The only IO's that keep their properties no matter what level you are exempt down to are unique sets.

Hope this helps
Not that helpful here.

If the -KB was from a set bonus (kinetic crash etc) you'd have to have the power to get the set bonus and the IO would heve to be 3 or less levels above your exemp level.

If it's a straight -KB IO (karma etc) then you don't need the power available, but the IO needs to be the level you're exemped to or less (possibly +3, not 100% sure).


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IE, you'd prefer to slot a level 15 Karma, Steadfast Protection, or BotZ KB IO if that's a possibility.



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Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
If the -KB was from a set bonus (kinetic crash etc) you'd have to have the power to get the set bonus and the IO would heve to be 3 or less levels above your exemp level.
Not correct. You do not need to keep the power. Only the IO level constraint applies.


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Most of the information in this thread is either incorrect or misleading, which is not all that surprising, as the way IO's work is pretty confusing.

First off, all the answers to these type of questions can be found here: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_IOs

Now, to address some specifics..

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyThere View Post
...-KB, specifically.

If I have one slotted in the power I get at 32, and I exemp to, say, 12, do I get the benefits of the IO?
As long as the -kb IO is a level 15 or less, you would still have the -kb protection at level 12.

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Does it matter if I exemp below the IO's level?
Yes, more than 3 levels and you lose the protection.

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The power's level?
No. You don't need the power to be available for the -kb IO to work.

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Originally Posted by Nitra View Post
The only IO's that keep their properties no matter what level you are exempt down to are unique sets.
Actually, this is dependent on exactly how the unique IO functions.

Some function like a normal set bonus, in which case you will only lose the bonus if you exemplar more than 3 levels below the level of the enhancement. It doesn't matter whether the power the IO is slotted in is available at that level or not. An example of this would be the Steadfast +def unique.

Others, which function as procs, like the Miracle and Numina uniques, will work regardless of the level of the IO itself, but the power it is slotted in must be available for the IO to function.

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Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
If the -KB was from a set bonus (kinetic crash etc) you'd have to have the power to get the set bonus and the IO would heve to be 3 or less levels above your exemp level.

If it's a straight -KB IO (karma etc) then you don't need the power available, but the IO needs to be the level you're exemped to or less (possibly +3, not 100% sure).
This is incorrect. All the -kb IO's function just like a set bonus, and the rules are the same for both. Any set bonus is available when exemplared as long as the player does not exemplar more than 3 levels below the level of the set. The power does NOT need to be available at the exemplar level for the set to work.


 

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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen View Post



Actually, this is dependent on exactly how the unique IO functions.

Some function like a normal set bonus, in which case you will only lose the bonus if you exemplar more than 3 levels below the level of the enhancement. It doesn't matter whether the power the IO is slotted in is available at that level or not. An example of this would be the Steadfast +def unique.

Others, which function as procs, like the Miracle and Numina uniques, will work regardless of the level of the IO itself, but the power it is slotted in must be available for the IO to function.
You are correct, what I should have said was purple sets because that's what I was referring to


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Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
Not that helpful here.

If the -KB was from a set bonus (kinetic crash etc) you'd have to have the power to get the set bonus and the IO would heve to be 3 or less levels above your exemp level.

If it's a straight -KB IO (karma etc) then you don't need the power available, but the IO needs to be the level you're exemped to or less (possibly +3, not 100% sure).
O_o


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