Praetorian Contact Question
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Eiko-chan,
Posted on: 2010-09-23 15:11 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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You go "undercover," by calling the opposing faction leader at the appropriate time, which changing certain missions' objective. However, if you're doing missions for the "extreme" end of the faction, you're going to have that side's badge - so for instance if you're doing Power arcs "undercover" you're going to have to have the Loyalist badge, and so be considered a Loyalist and actually be locked out of the Resistance underground base. This is what each faction leader refers to as going "deep undercover."|
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Is it impossible to do the Crusader arcs as a Loyalist or the Power arcs as a Resistance member?
I know the first Power contact (Deputy Assistant of Information) is in the "Loyalist Lounge" but can an undercover resistance agent get in? And can an undercover loyalist ever enter the Resistance Underground, where pretty much all the contacts for the Crusader arcs are located? Haven't ever tried... But I think I might want to do the Crusader arcs as an undercover Loyalist stopping their various evil plans... -Rachel- |
So the answer is, I guess, sort of?
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Nova Praetoria's Power and Crusader arcs are not set up with any undercover options. However, if you started as the one side and then switched in Nova Praetoria, the opposite side's extremes (Power and Crusader) are available to you in Imperial City and Neutropolis, and do have prompts to call a contact for undercover options (my undercover Crusader got a "what the hell?" from Calvin Scott after bringing in Ricochet, followed by a "Well, you got a bunch of Powers killed, so it's cool").
But you have to pick the opposite side in the Morality mission and be currently flagged as Loyalist or Resistance to do Power or Crusader, respectively.
So I could have a Responsible Loyalist kill Interrogator Kang or kill Reese as a Power Loyalist and do the Crusader Arcs as an undercover Loyalist...
Crap... Really didn't want to let either of those things happen...
Could I play a Loyalist and do the initial Warden arc to become a deep-cover loyalist to do the Crusader arcs from that point?
-Rachel-
So long as you picked Loyalist in the Tutorial and currently belong to the Resistance faction (with the symbol beside your health bar), you can do Crusader arcs in IC and Neu and have options to call Provost Marchand.
The important points are that you made the appropriate choice in the tutorial (undercover is only available for the side you choose there) and currently have affiliation with the side you're spying on. Power and Crusader arcs are only available if you are currently factioned with that side, regardless of where the contacts are.
It does not matter on which side's missions you made the morality choice. You can do Power, Responsibility, or Warden in NP, choose Resistance, and go undercover on the Crusaders in IC.
Perfect! Thank you, Eiko Chan!
oh... but that means after every level-range I'll have to do another morality mission just to get back to Resistance so I can run the next Crusader arc....
Ah well!
-Rachel-
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No, the undercover options don't change your morality, only the alignment missions do. The concept of going "deep undercover" means choosing the alignment you're spying on to keep up your cover on that side. I haven't played all the arcs, but as I understand it the undercover options are things that happen covertly - you betray the Resistance without them knowing. Alignment missions are public knowledge - you do something that shifts your alignment in their eyes. Going deep undercover implies that you're willing to keep up your cover even though it requires you to do things harmful to the side your actually undercover for.|
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Perfect! Thank you, Eiko Chan!
oh... but that means after every level-range I'll have to do another morality mission just to get back to Resistance so I can run the next Crusader arc.... Ah well! -Rachel- |
Like I said, I could be wrong because I haven't played all the arcs. But that's the way it seems to me so far.
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Ooooooo....
This bodes well... >.>
-Rachel-
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You are correct, your alignment only changes when you are in a single player morality mission. |
Originally Posted by james_joyce
No, the undercover options don't change your morality, only the alignment missions do. The concept of going "deep undercover" means choosing the alignment you're spying on to keep up your cover on that side. I haven't played all the arcs, but as I understand it the undercover options are things that happen covertly - you betray the Resistance without them knowing. Alignment missions are public knowledge - you do something that shifts your alignment in their eyes. Going deep undercover implies that you're willing to keep up your cover even though it requires you to do things harmful to the side your actually undercover for.
Like I said, I could be wrong because I haven't played all the arcs. But that's the way it seems to me so far. |
For example: You can kill Cutter Cain while flagged as resistance and you will not convert to Loyalist.
Another: You can save the PPD in Hatchet's ending mission and not convert to Loyalist.
I think she'll still want to run another arc to switch back to undercover, because I doubt she'll want to follow the Loyalist or Resistance options in the (respectively) Power or Crusader arcs if she's really playing undercover. An undercover agent's going to take the chance presented in those missions and break cover to accomplish a great goal for their side.
Arrgh. I just ran into this tonight.
If you're going to make a habit of switching sides regularly, make sure to keep track of your levelling. At 10 you can still do the Nova Contacts, but at 11 you can't take on new ones. It seems that contacts you have already started will let you complete, but new referrals won't.
16 is the cut off for Imperial, and 21 for Neutropolis. I usually stop XP at 10, 15, and 20, but I slipped into internal narration and boom...story arc xp.
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Reese deserved what he got. |
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
So I could have a Responsible Loyalist kill Interrogator Kang or kill Reese as a Power Loyalist and do the Crusader Arcs as an undercover Loyalist...
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My Demon/Pain MM gets uppity with all of the Praetoria contacts.
Talk down to White for being cold about his girlfriend's murder, blow up Reese for being a dick, etc. Then again, the character is the spawn of unknown forces within the Warp of the W40K universe who just kinda fell on Praetoria, so...BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
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Heh... Maybe. Yeah... But I'd like to try and go the "REsistance" path the entire way, just playing as a spy. So I'll probably go warden, then crusader, then warden, crusader.... And have my XP off for part of Neutropolis.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Reese deserved what he got.
My Demon/Pain MM gets uppity with all of the Praetoria contacts. Talk down to White for being cold about his girlfriend's murder, blow up Reese for being a dick, etc. Then again, the character is the spawn of unknown forces within the Warp of the W40K universe who just kinda fell on Praetoria, so...BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! image not hotlinked due to NSFW language |
The Warden part.
-Rachel-
Also note that you can basically spy on both sides at the same time. The only requirement for the "undercover" options is that you have your faction-leader's phone number, so if you pick one side at the tutorial and the other in your first morality mission, you get to call both Calvin Scott and Provost Marchand and get their respective undercover options.
Why your toon would do that is up to you, but the option to sabotage both sides at the same time does exist.
So! I've decided to create a Responsible Loyalist who performs the Warden arc of Nova, then the Crusader arc of Imperial followed by the Warden arc of imperial, then the Crusader arc of Neutropolis.
At each "Call Marchand" point she'll betray the Crusaders and the Wardens, and in the Crusader Morality missions she'll betray them, only to help the Wardens during the morality mission.
Should be fun!
-Rachel-
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Actually, no, you can't. Please don't tell people otherwise, because it's not true. |
Originally Posted by Noxilicious
Also note that you can basically spy on both sides at the same time. The only requirement for the "undercover" options is that you have your faction-leader's phone number, so if you pick one side at the tutorial and the other in your first morality mission, you get to call both Calvin Scott and Provost Marchand and get their respective undercover options.
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You can have both their phone numbers simultaneously, and have them introduce you to all four tracks at once, but they will only give undercover options when called at the appropriate time if you chose their side in the tutorial. If you did not pick them in the tutorial, when you call them as the mission prompts, they will only give you the "introduce to new contacts" dialogue, and not the side dialogue for the undercover options.
You cannot play a triple agent.
Is it impossible to do the Crusader arcs as a Loyalist or the Power arcs as a Resistance member?
I know the first Power contact (Deputy Assistant of Information) is in the "Loyalist Lounge" but can an undercover resistance agent get in?
And can an undercover loyalist ever enter the Resistance Underground, where pretty much all the contacts for the Crusader arcs are located?
Haven't ever tried... But I think I might want to do the Crusader arcs as an undercover Loyalist stopping their various evil plans...
-Rachel-