Boxing and Kick are pretty much both useless as attacks, so take either. Boxing is sometimes used as a set mule though, as there are a few good stun sets.
I'd slot Tough and Weave up. However, some people just stick a Steadfast Protection unique in Tough and never run it. I think that's often a mistake, as Tough helps round out your survivability on a Super Reflexes. But whether you run it or not, START with a Steadfast Protection in Tough, and slot up from there if you want.
General thoughts on these? Don't think I've ever made a Scrapper without them. To me, they're core powers that you always take. Technically you don't have to, and there is more than one way to skin the survivability cat, but I think they're a very good approach.
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Generally, people don't use either Boxing or Kick to attack with, but instead use them as set mules. Many builds take Boxing because it can be slotted with the purple set Absolute Amazement which, as far as purple sets go, is rather inexpensive. As far as Kick goes, the only set I sometimes find useful is Explosive Strike - add two slots for 1.88% Ranged Def bonus.|
Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
I'm working on a new scrapper, MA/SR and I need some advice about the Fighting power pool. I'll phrase this in the form of questions to make it easier:
1) I see people mostly taking Boxing in their builds instead of the Kick - why is this? With my scrapper being MA, I was thinking the Kick would be more thematically fitting. I also thought I heard some time ago that it's not the rottenly useless power it used to be. The silliness of the animation is not an issue to me.  |
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Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
2)Tough and Weave - what kind of slotting works for them? "As much as you can fit" or just the beginning slot? I think I've only taken them on one toon before this one so I really know very little about them.
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If you're using SOs, I'd go with 1 End Redux and 3 +Def or Resist Buff, respectively. If you're going for set bonuses, then the question becomes more convoluted as it will depend on the set you're using. The most common for Tough is the Aegis set for the AoE Def set bonuses as well as slotting the Steadfast Protection unique. Weave often gets slotted with LoTG +7.5% Recharge IO. and 2 or 3 more from the set depending on which bonuses you're after, or a Red Fortune Set for the Ranged Def. Along with these options is slotting them with HamiOs for excellent enhancement without a ton of slots.
Not an issue for SR, but secondaries without knockback protection might want to slot Kick with that knockback set that gives 3 pts of -knb (I forget the name).
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Originally Posted by Werner
I'd slot Tough and Weave up. However, some people just stick a Steadfast Protection unique in Tough and never run it. I think that's often a mistake, as Tough helps round out your survivability on a Super Reflexes. But whether you run it or not, START with a Steadfast Protection in Tough, and slot up from there if you want.
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Eventually I will respec MunkiLord(probably after the Fitness change), and when I do I plan on five or six slotting tough(depending on set bonuses). It is a fantastic power and I strongly suggest investing slots in it if possible.
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Kinetic Crash. I'd rather put the steadfast -kb into tough with the def% and take the 1.5% recovery set bonus.
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Not an issue for SR, but secondaries without knockback protection might want to slot Kick with that knockback set that gives 3 pts of -knb (I forget the name).
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In addition to muling, Boxing can fill an attack chain for MA (depending on your recharge level and needs) and it has a nice quick animation. If you've got to take it anyway...might as well try to make it useful. SR is such a greedy secondary, so you'll be tight on power slots and can substitute Boxing for a middle MA attack pick.
Tough is useful to hold a Steadfast 3% DEF IO, which SR likes very much. Personally, I 3 slot Tough on my MA/SR for 1 Steadfast, 1 END, and 1 RES.
Weave will help you make softcap without grubbing around odd sets for DEF bonuses. I 1 slot for END and 2 slot for DEF.
You can generally leave Tough off unless you are getting smacked around a bit and decide to turn it on for a while - kind of like an orange inspir on demand. Note however that it only helps vs smash / lethal. You'll want to run Weave unless you are fighting whites blues and greys.
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But not greens. ALWAYS use tough when fighting greens. Those bastards think they're sneaky because they have the same color name as your teammates and think they can catch you unaware. AND IT WORKS =(
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Originally Posted by KillerShrike
You can generally leave Tough off unless you are getting smacked around a bit and decide to turn it on for a while - kind of like an orange inspir on demand. Note however that it only helps vs smash / lethal. You'll want to run Weave unless you are fighting whites blues and greys.
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Stupefy is another good set for Boxing, 5 gets 6.25 recharge, and 6 gives 3.13% ranged def. I find it very useful on my def based characters. Very few sets give both recharge and defense. Also good is Razzle Dazzle which gives 2.5% to Melee and AoE with 6 slots.
Great advice here guys, thanks a lot. 
I'm working on a new scrapper, MA/SR and I need some advice about the Fighting power pool. I'll phrase this in the form of questions to make it easier:
1) I see people mostly taking Boxing in their builds instead of the Kick - why is this? With my scrapper being MA, I was thinking the Kick would be more thematically fitting. I also thought I heard some time ago that it's not the rottenly useless power it used to be. The silliness of the animation is not an issue to me.
2)Tough and Weave - what kind of slotting works for them? "As much as you can fit" or just the beginning slot? I think I've only taken them on one toon before this one so I really know very little about them.
Any other thoughts on these would be cool too.