If I take my Villain hero side...
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beyeajus,
Posted on: 2010-09-01 19:54 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I would think so. I thought both Epic ATs unlocked when you got to 20, but as I had my kheld prior to my VEAT, and they were both 50's I can't tell you yet.
It is not long to level a hero and a villain to 50 anyway.
Before going rogue, you had to have a level 50 to unlock either of them.
I understand it used to be level 50 and that it does not take long as I have already leveled 1 character to 50 and another is currently 45 in the short time I have had this game.
However it seems silly to level a character to 20 just to dump him in order to play the class I really want to play. That said, I will do so if it's required.
I am still curious if anyone can confirm this or not... hmm maybe I should do this as an experiment as I am sure most of you have been playing CoH much longer could not test this.
I can't confirm it personally, but according to the manual, you need to level a hero archetype (blaster, controller, defender, scrapper, or tanker) to 20 to unlock a Kheldian and a villain archetype to 20 for the Arachnos EATs. It sounds like the archetype matters more than the alignment, but I could be wrong.
NOPE! I just brought one over today for the first time, and that was the first thing I noticed. you have ding 20 on blueside 
That does make sense and thanks to everyone for helping me out.
Blue side here I come!
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
NOPE! I just brought one over today for the first time, and that was the first thing I noticed. you have ding 20 on blueside
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Reason I ask is that my 3rd account has a level 21 villain yet because she hit 21 back in i15/16 VEATs are still locked (consensus of opinion in Defiant Events was that I needed to force her to level/gain a level to cause the EAT to unlock). So it still might be possible.
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Wonder if it counts if you respec or use a second build and hit 20 that way.
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
NOPE! I just brought one over today for the first time, and that was the first thing I noticed. you have ding 20 on blueside
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oh i certainly hope so!
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Originally Posted by Lost Ninja
Did you actually get any levels beyond 20 on that character though?
Reason I ask is that my 3rd account has a level 21 villain yet because she hit 21 back in i15/16 VEATs are still locked (consensus of opinion in Defiant Events was that I needed to force her to level/gain a level to cause the EAT to unlock). So it still might be possible. |
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If I weren't stuck at work I'd try it right now, I hope you're right. If you guys try it, post results |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Wonder if it counts if you respec or use a second build and hit 20 that way.
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If you take your villain hero side, odds are he will want to unlock his cape.
When he runs the hero cape mission, he'll probably ask why he has to travel to the far ends of Skyway and Independence Port.
When he's finished, he'll ask where the nearest Tailor is.
When he goes to Serge, he will ask where to find level 20+ Tsoo.
When he goes to Talos Island to battle the Tsoo he will see Wentworths Market.
At the Wentworths market he will see the notification of a zone event in Atlas Park.
Not knowing all the shortcuts to Atlas Park from Talos Island he will make the long trek back.
When he gets to Atlas Park the zone event will be almost over.
Odds are a costume contest will be announced after the event ends, so he will enter it.
While in the contest he will realize he never returned to Serge to unlock the costume slot and use his new cape.
After losing the costume contest he will remember how little zone traveling there was villain side.
And chances are when he remembers that he's going to want to return to villain side.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Seems like people are overlooking the information Cantatus has already posted. |
Originally Posted by Cantatus
I can't confirm it personally, but according to the manual, you need to level a hero archetype (blaster, controller, defender, scrapper, or tanker) to 20 to unlock a Kheldian and a villain archetype to 20 for the Arachnos EATs. It sounds like the archetype matters more than the alignment, but I could be wrong.
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This explanation sounds most plausible.
IIRC this was tested in beta.
Hero AT's unlcok Khelds regardless of alignment
Vil At's unlock SoA regardless of alignment.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
If you take your villain hero side, odds are he will want to unlock his cape.
When he runs the hero cape mission, he'll probably ask why he has to travel to the far ends of Skyway and Independence Port. When he's finished, he'll ask where the nearest Tailor is. When he goes to Serge, he will ask where to find level 20+ Tsoo. When he goes to Talos Island to battle the Tsoo he will see Wentworths Market. At the Wentworths market he will see the notification of a zone event in Atlas Park. Not knowing all the shortcuts to Atlas Park from Talos Island he will make the long trek back. When he gets to Atlas Park the zone event will be almost over. Odds are a costume contest will be announced after the event ends, so he will enter it. While in the contest he will realize he never returned to Serge to unlock the costume slot and use his new cape. After losing the costume contest he will remember how little zone traveling there was villain side. And chances are when he remembers that he's going to want to return to villain side. |
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Epic Archetypes are unlocked not when you train up, but when your combat level changes from 19 to 20 via XP. To unlock a Kheldian, you need to be on a Hero as you get that 20th experience level, which mans Villain archetypes cannot unlock them.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
If you take your villain hero side, odds are he will want to unlock his cape.
When he runs the hero cape mission, he'll probably ask why he has to travel to the far ends of Skyway and Independence Port. When he's finished, he'll ask where the nearest Tailor is. When he goes to Serge, he will ask where to find level 20+ Tsoo. When he goes to Talos Island to battle the Tsoo he will see Wentworths Market. At the Wentworths market he will see the notification of a zone event in Atlas Park. Not knowing all the shortcuts to Atlas Park from Talos Island he will make the long trek back. When he gets to Atlas Park the zone event will be almost over. Odds are a costume contest will be announced after the event ends, so he will enter it. While in the contest he will realize he never returned to Serge to unlock the costume slot and use his new cape. After losing the costume contest he will remember how little zone traveling there was villain side. And chances are when he remembers that he's going to want to return to villain side. |
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Ye gods.
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I doubt it. Historically, when out "Epic" status has been reset in the past, all we have needed to do was only log in a level 50, never actually get a new one to 50. I have no reason to believe that acquiring the right to an Epic AT will work differently, specifically since when these were introduced, those of us who already had a 50 were allowed to use one out the gate, I assume after having logged said 50 in.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Wonder if it counts if you respec or use a second build and hit 20 that way.
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Then again, others have already pretty much confirmed the speculation that hero and villain ATs unlock hero and villain Epic ATs regardless of character alignment. Which makes sense, but is... Odd. Now that it's level 20 and THIS problem presents itself, why not unlock BOTH with either 20?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Will it count as a level 20+ hero to unlock Kheldians? I am just curious as I have never played hero side and want to try a Kheldian.