With Dark? Either. Healing isn't an issue. Dark's debuffs are fantastic.
Necro has more to stack with Dark, Ninjas do more damage.
3 Year ago my frist Charater was a Ninja/Dark MM and until today he have been on my list of most powerful characters i have play and see around. It feel like a hulk ready to take 90% of what this game wil throug at you and reap your victory with complete grace, I absoluty love it and will never get old. Of course of all my toon it the one that demand more from me, micromanage is a extreme and sometime it rally burn me up.
I can't speak about necro b/c i don't have one, but know many player that have it, and I admit that exelent necro/dark can give my ninja/dark a run for his money. /dark just mix too good with necro.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
With Dark? Either. Healing isn't an issue. Dark's debuffs are fantastic.
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Honestly, if you're going to team most of the time, do Necro. If you're going to solo/small team do Ninja. The -ToHit that you and the Lich would put out seriously increases the survivability of your team. The damage is so low though that soloing will feel like a chore. I played Necro/Pain to 50 and soloing was an absolute chore.
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I play heroes on Champion.
I play villains on Virtue.
Since you say you are a new player, I'd recommend you go with Necro because hyperactive Ninjas are the harder to control of the two.
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I second that. Ninjas are the hardest MM primary to use. Just plain micro. Though I was bored and made a Ninja/TA it is good. Just very very aggravating.
You will only have one minor issue with necro/dark your heal is around you. you will have to run into melee with your pets when you want to heal them, that and it has to hit accuracy check is required for the heal.
I have a 34, maybe 35 Ninja/Dark and a (fresh, as in haven't even used Seeker Drones yet) 28 Robotics/Traps. My experience is really limited to those two, now I prefer my Bots/Traps for a ton of reasons. I will echo Ninjas being a pain to manage at times, but wow can they drop a single target like nothing. They have even shocked me on Elites, kind of like, "that was an Elite Boss right?"
No AV experience on either.
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Originally Posted by OmnipotentMerlin
I second that. Ninjas are the hardest MM primary to use. Just plain micro.
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The big difference in control of the ninjas is their speed. To me, that's a benefit. When I tell them to do something, they get there in a hurry. It's almost like having a ranged pet with melee damage.....because it doesn't matter where at, they're going to go where I tell them and kill nice and quick. They move quick. They animate quick. And, most of all, they don't say anything!
Yeah, they're melee and they kinda demand goto commands because of it. You don't want the Jounin shooting poison darts, for instance. But aside from simply not using goto commands, I don't understand the constant complaint that Ninjas are so much harder to use than anything else. Does everyone just play Bots on Follow/Defend and nothing else?
Put a goto command on a mouse button or use team teleport and Ninjas are no more difficult to play than anything this game has to offer.
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Originally Posted by Tulare
They have even shocked me on Elites, kind of like, "that was an Elite Boss right?"
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Um dude I know that quite well. I micro the heck out of them. The point is Ninja require you to micro them. Cause the AI is so dumb it would sit back at range though the devs have fixed it a bit. Bots can be about the same way but bots are ranged and are very powerful. Ninjas are like me ADHD and squishy, if they get hit it hurts bad. The reason also that I need more micro is the fact that I picked Trick Arrow. Micro intensive pets + Micro intensive secondary= lots of micro. But then I have alot of MMs. And for the nights when I don't want to worry about concentrating I play my Bots/FF and steam roll the heck out of stuff.|
Originally Posted by brophog02
Put a goto command on a mouse button and they are the easiest to use. They all want to be at the same range.........and that's right by the enemy. It's point and click.
The big difference in control of the ninjas is their speed. To me, that's a benefit. When I tell them to do something, they get there in a hurry. It's almost like having a ranged pet with melee damage.....because it doesn't matter where at, they're going to go where I tell them and kill nice and quick. They move quick. They animate quick. And, most of all, they don't say anything! Yeah, they're melee and they kinda demand goto commands because of it. You don't want the Jounin shooting poison darts, for instance. But aside from simply not using goto commands, I don't understand the constant complaint that Ninjas are so much harder to use than anything else. Does everyone just play Bots on Follow/Defend and nothing else? Put a goto command on a mouse button or use team teleport and Ninjas are no more difficult to play than anything this game has to offer. |
Don't get me wrong Ninjas are fun. Sorry for sounding like they arn't but the require the most attention. And also I made that toon on purpose knowing exactly how it would play. Each set has its advantages and problems. Ninjas are just the Redheaded step child for MMs. Play them only after you play at different MM set just like I say with Bot/FF don't do the extremes at first.
Both aren't that good on a large team mainly because tier 1 pets can die easily. Your tier 1 pets do ZERO damage when they die. This is why ranged pets do more damage in the long run 'cause they don't die as often (not because they are more sturdy, they just aggro less due to range)
Having said that, both Ninja and Necro need more micro management. For Ninja, you really need to watch out Genins and sometimes goto Jounins as their range potential sucks hard. For Necro, you should goto Zombies to max their "Puke" potential (line them up for a good Cone range) and you should goto Lich too to make sure he is within 40' feet, that's where he cycles every power. If Lich only stands far away, he can't cycle TT or even fear.
Ninja does more damage on a large team for sure mainly because of Oni's Rain of Fire and Genin's exploding shuriken but both are harder to use on a large team. It's your choice and taste.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by OmnipotentMerlin
Um dude I know that quite well. I micro the heck out of them. The point is Ninja require you to micro them.
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Yeah, you can't walk around with them on defend/follow and just do everything on autopilot.......welcome to playing CoX. Somehow every other AT manages to walk around and press buttons. I'm sure you'll one day get a handle on it, too.
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No it is called if anything runs away just a bit they like to just sit there and throw shurikens. The point is that the AI for ninjas is the worst of them all. Bots can be stupid in run in but atleast then in range isn't a bad thing. For necro you only have to micro when you want to and with all pets you need to remember to leash them by keeping a eye on them so they don't chase them.|
Originally Posted by brophog02
They require a single goto command. If that's consideriing micromanaging, then so is everything else in the game.
Yeah, you can't walk around with them on defend/follow and just do everything on autopilot.......welcome to playing CoX. Somehow every other AT manages to walk around and press buttons. I'm sure you'll one day get a handle on it, too. |
On another note yes I put them on defend/follow then when I see mobs I tell them where to go then tell them to attack. I never repeat never tell my pets to go aggressive. Aggressive is pointless in this game bodyguard only works while your on defensive.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
They require a single goto command. If that's consideriing micromanaging, then so is everything else in the game.
Yeah, you can't walk around with them on defend/follow and just do everything on autopilot.......welcome to playing CoX. Somehow every other AT manages to walk around and press buttons. I'm sure you'll one day get a handle on it, too. |
All ninja scatter like the 4 winds if hit by a fire patch. With their absurd speed they almost ALWAYS run into another pack.
Ninja's are by far the most focus fire and target selecting required of the MM primaries.
There are other quirks.
It's not a huge amount of effort, but compared to the other MM's it is a big step up.
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Originally Posted by OmnipotentMerlin
No it is called if anything runs away just a bit they like to just sit there and throw shurikens.
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What the heck is that supposed to mean. No I am not one of those. The point with ninjas is that your have to force it to do what you want since the AI sucks. Atleast with other MM primaries the AI isn't pathetic. Ninjas are great but there AI sucks. I am just telling the guy ninjas are probably not the best idea to play with at first.|
Originally Posted by brophog02
You're not one of those Scrappers that gets mad that an enemy runs away and you have to chase it, are you?
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Just like I can say Dark Armor isn't the best idea to play first time around. There are some sets that arn't newb friendly. And there are some combinations that are that way too. Just like there are some combinations that are so good and easy that screams Win.
I would just like to know what everyone thinks, because I cant decide.....
As far as I know, as a new player, is that Ninjas have more damage, more resists, but no heal......and Undead have less resists and a self heal (siphon life)
Anything else I should know before choosing? I am going to pair one with /Dark Miasma btw.