ATI Catalyst 10.8 and FSAA
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Posted on: 2010-08-25 14:34 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Oooh, I've been looking forward to this. 
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Yes, but what about the 3D Sound that broke with Issue 18? 
[EDIT] ok, fsaa is NOT working well for me at ALL! XD Spoke too soon i guess...
If i'm in-game and turn it on, it looks good... but the moment i move, i see a persistent "ghost" image of the background. When i turn AA off this goes away.
If i leave AA on and restart the game, 2 bad things happen. First, my characters are almost ALL blackened out. Some costume items like capes, auras, insignias, and "short sleeved shirt arms" show up, but everything else is pitch black.
Second, when i get into a zone, the ENTIRE screen is white-washed (it's actually more like a pale blue that changes as the day/night sycle goes on). Only a few things actually appear: the sky, graffiti, capes, auras... But everything else is washed out.
Gonna keep fiddling with things, but for me, right now? Not working!
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Repeat thread is repeat. You should close this thread :P
ALSO of note (as found out by yours truly) is that FSAA and SSAO now work together.
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Do you mean a quick flash of what looks like a screenie from 20 seconds to a minute before?
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
Yup, just donfirmed it... FSAA looks BEAUTIFUL now! Go Devs and ATI for FINALLY making this happen!
edit: though alt tabing and going back seems to produce some weird artifacts... mostly "ghost" images of whatever was on-screen before i alt-tabbed out. *shrug* |
Nice. Also guess what game was advertising all over the ATi Driver page? That's right, Going Rogue. Now that is a targeted ad.
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Well, at first I thought this was great cause all the quick white flashes seem to be gone. Until I went underground and saw this
It only happens with water set on low. Any other setting including off and it goes away. Unfortunately I can't turn water any higher without taking a huge performance hit, so off is my only option.
Although my framerates suck with FSAA and ambient occlusion turned on, I can say that they do indeed work together.
Please make sure that ATI's Catalyst Control Center is not trying to override the application settings.
Right click the red ATI icon in your notification area and select "Catalyst Control Center". In the "Graphics Settings" tab, expand the "3D" option and select "Anti-Aliasing" and make sure the "Use application settings" box is checked. You may need to look at other settings in the 3D settings area and see if they are trying to override the game settings which may interfere with the game.
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Both anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering have "use application settings" checked. Catalyst AI is standard, mipmaps are high quality, vsync is on, adaptive AA is unchecked, and triple buffering is checked.|
Originally Posted by Tex
Please make sure that ATI's Catalyst Control Center is not trying to override the application settings.
Right click the red ATI icon in your notification area and select "Catalyst Control Center". In the "Graphics Settings" tab, expand the "3D" option and select "Anti-Aliasing" and make sure the "Use application settings" box is checked. You may need to look at other settings in the 3D settings area and see if they are trying to override the game settings which may interfere with the game. |
It's not clear from the image but the ground is "wet" (the water on the ground is much more visible when you turn up the water quality). The distorted image is only when the character has a water effect in front of it.
Then I take it you have your water effect set on low quality? That should be normal at low quality water effect.
Just re-read your post. Yes, that is to be expected at the low quality water effect.
Extremely happy with the graphics for what little time I've had in game tonight. Thanks again for giving us the info, Ocho!!!
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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This used to happen pre-I17/Ultra Mode on any graphics card. (Well, not ATi, as water effects just didn't work at all.) It would fake a ripple effect by distorting anything on screen, which results in what you see there. Today, Low and Medium settings use the same effect.
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Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous
Well, at first I thought this was great cause all the quick white flashes seem to be gone. Until I went underground and saw this
It only happens with water set on low. Any other setting including off and it goes away. Unfortunately I can't turn water any higher without taking a huge performance hit, so off is my only option. Although my framerates suck with FSAA and ambient occlusion turned on, I can say that they do indeed work together. |
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Not quite correct. On the Low water quality setting, the refraction effect will incorrectly refract objects above the water in addition to objects below the water (this is why it is a low quality water effect). On the Medium water quality setting, only objects below the water should refract (unless your GPU/drivers don't support some OpenGL extensions used to support this feature).
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Originally Posted by Necrotron
This used to happen pre-I17/Ultra Mode on any graphics card. (Well, not ATi, as water effects just didn't work at all.) It would fake a ripple effect by distorting anything on screen, which results in what you see there. Today, Low and Medium settings use the same effect.
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It was ME that gave you the info! Not him. I made the thread HOURS earlier.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Extremely happy with the graphics for what little time I've had in game tonight. Thanks again for giving us the info, Ocho!!!
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Wow. 10.8 is a huge improvement.
Well, beside the fact it created a catastrophic boot error and I had to system restore which somehow corrupted a Firefox Add-on. (I completely uninstalled the old drivers and that did the trick.)
Not only are FSAA and AO working well together (except for one specific AO setting which I can live without), but I was able to bump FSAA up one more notch (full 8x) without taking a FPS hit!
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Huh. Interesting insight. That's weird, because my GeForce 8800GTS 320MB always did refractions on things above water, across many years of driver revisions. I only got rid of the thing around Issue 17 time, but it served me well since City of Villains.|
Originally Posted by Tex
Not quite correct. On the Low water quality setting, the refraction effect will incorrectly refract objects above the water in addition to objects below the water (this is why it is a low quality water effect). On the Medium water quality setting, only objects below the water should refract (unless your GPU/drivers don't support some OpenGL extensions used to support this feature).
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I just took a look through my screenshot archive, and in some VERY old shots (directly post-CoV) the refraction effect is not drawing on above-water objects. But then at November 2005, it's all broken, and things above water start refracting.
Not that it matters, but here's the earliest/best example I have, dated April 2006.
Given that I kept my drivers updated regularly, re-installed operating systems, went through Vista and to 7, it's awfully odd that this kept occurring. It could be me, though, and the GPU never supported that OpenGL extension.
On the topic at hand, 10.7 had me fixed, but I do appreciate you guys working with ATi to get things working. I know it can't have been easy to re-jig everything to work on Radeons.
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Water effects have always been wonky with Radeons. For the longest time anything higher than low would break FSAA. That changed with Ultra Mode, but the performance hit was massive for me, so I'm still stuck on low.
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Originally Posted by Necrotron
Huh. Interesting insight. That's weird, because my GeForce 8800GTS 320MB always did refractions on things above water, across many years of driver revisions. I only got rid of the thing around Issue 17 time, but it served me well since City of Villains.
I just took a look through my screenshot archive, and in some VERY old shots (directly post-CoV) the refraction effect is not drawing on above-water objects. But then at November 2005, it's all broken, and things above water start refracting. Not that it matters, but here's the earliest/best example I have, dated April 2006. Given that I kept my drivers updated regularly, re-installed operating systems, went through Vista and to 7, it's awfully odd that this kept occurring. It could be me, though, and the GPU never supported that OpenGL extension. On the topic at hand, 10.7 had me fixed, but I do appreciate you guys working with ATi to get things working. I know it can't have been easy to re-jig everything to work on Radeons. |
Speaking of FSAA, is there any chance we'll someday get it on the character selection, creation, and tailor screens?
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Uh... dude, that was on my 8800GTS. On my Radeon, it wouldn't refract at all, and it was upside down.
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Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous
Water effects have always been wonky with Radeons. For the longest time anything higher than low would break FSAA. That changed with Ultra Mode, but the performance hit was massive for me, so I'm still stuck on low.
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I had the same Geforce card you did before my 4770 and never had any problems with high water. And I missed all the upside down and wacky reflection stuff on Radeons. It had been fixed by the time I switched.
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Originally Posted by Necrotron
Uh... dude, that was on my 8800GTS. On my Radeon, it wouldn't refract at all, and it was upside down.
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I'm in love with 10.8. I can FINALLY turn all the eye candy to max and have the max pretteh! FSAA and AO are finally playing nice together! WOOOOOOOO!
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Okay, here's my CoHHelper readout:
---System information gathered by CoH Helper version 0.2.0.2---
DxDiag gathered at August 27, 2010 16:36 (-04:00)
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.100427-1636)
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BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
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C Drive: (WDC WD6401AALS-00J7B0) 375600MB out of 610469MB (61%) free
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DirectX: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
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Display Notes: No problems found.
Sound Notes: No problems found.
Input Notes: No problems found.
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor's Max Resolution: 1600,1200
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Driver Version: 6.14.0010.7111
Driver Date: 8/3/2010 9:46:04 PM
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Sound Device Description: Realtek HD Audio output
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Registry Information for Current User
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Full Screen: Yes
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Maximum Particles: 50000
Max Particle Fill? 10.000
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Anisotropic Filtering: 2x
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Water Effects: High quality
Bloom: 1.000 (turned on)
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Desaturation Effects (Sepia) Enabled: No
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Character Texture Level: Very High
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Installation Directory: C:\Program Files\City of Heroes
Mod files in the Data directory
.\texture_library\MAPS\city has 1 file
.\texture_library\MAPS\Midnight_Squad has 1 file
.\texture_library\MAPS\Safeguard has 9 files
.\texture_library\MAPS\sewers has 44 files
.\texture_library\MAPS\static has 32 files
.\texture_library\V_MAPS\Outdoor_Missions has 9 files
.\texture_library\V_MAPS\Static has 16 files
...and everything looks fine. But when i turn on AA, stuff like this happens:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...5-18-16-05.jpg
Any ideas on how i can fix this?
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Do you have AA set to "use application settings" in the CCC? You could also try lowering water settings to either low or off and turning off bloom. Check shader settings too, no reason you should be on medium, go for high.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
...and everything looks fine. But when i turn on AA, stuff like this happens:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...5-18-16-05.jpg Any ideas on how i can fix this? |
The FSAA option in game still gives me a huge performance hit, unfortunately. I can force it in the CCC (RadeonPro actually, but it amounts to the same thing) and get good performance, but then bloom and other HDR effects still don't work. For now I'm going without the HDR, as I really can't handle the jagginess of CoH without at least FSAA x4.
The latest ATI Catalyst drivers are out, and they should resolve any issues with Full Screen Anti-Aliasing that some of our users with ATI based cards may have experienced.
Enjoy!