What if: City of Heroes was in 3D.


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Count me as one who appreciated the posting...that's very cool! I haven't done the crosseyed thing in years, so it took a little practice to try it, but then all the images worked as I found the 'third' image between the two.

I'm unfamiliar with the process of generating them, though...does it simply involve two of the same images or does each image have to be slightly shifted either way to generate the effect?

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I'm going to keep being a "negative Nancy" as long as people keep suggesting technology and techniques that GIVE ME A HEADACHE! I tried to view the 3D perspective in the link you provided, and it makes my eyes HURT. I can't cross my eyes consistently, because it hurts the muscles in my eyes, and when anything inside my skull hurts, my head begins throbbing. Not only that, but after trying to see your 3D for a while, I managed to unfocus my idle vision and needed some rest time just to be able to see straight again.

I don't want technology which requires me to suffer through pain, possibly incur permanent damage as I already have from forcing my eyes too far to the side one too many times, and fight through "training" just to be able to see the god damn thing. I would sooner take filter lens 3D over this crap, because while filter lens 3D gives me headaches, at least it doesn't damage my eyes as far as I can tell, and I'm able to see normally just as soon as I take off the glasses.

And I HATE filter lens 3D. My eyes are very capable of telling the difference between actual depth perception and optical illusion, which is what gives me headaches. I'd much sooner deal with flat 3D or Lisar's cheating flat 3D technology than anything which tries to fool my brain into seeing depth that isn't there.

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Yeah, I'll admit. Your link giving me a headache that lasted me THAT ENTIRE DAY may have coloured the tone of my reply.
I would like to point out that people who are not used to computer generated images, like those featured in most modern games, like city of heroes , have a tendency to get motion sickness or have some kind of ill feeling, even though we after hours of use feel perfectly fine.

When I look at the 3d illusions I do not get headaches at all or get much more eyestrain then I do from normal viewing, even doing eyeball acrobatics.

See what im getting at?

While the initial "gimmick" of 3D and the hiccups in getting the experience to a more presentable level may turn you off initially its worth giving it a chance because its really something special to experience.

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Count me as one who appreciated the posting...that's very cool! I haven't done the crosseyed thing in years, so it took a little practice to try it, but then all the images worked as I found the 'third' image between the two.

I'm unfamiliar with the process of generating them, though...does it simply involve two of the same images or does each image have to be slightly shifted either way to generate the effect?

Tai
its fairly simple, just zoom in to first person, take a screenshot, strafe about the distance between your eyes (basically tap the key) then take another screen shot, place them next to each other. (if you strafe left, place the second image on the left and vice-verse ) It takes alittle bit of practice and nothing can move or else inconsistencies in the two images will appear and cause eyestrain.

*edit* Tomorrow im going to do a few of praetoria, going to try and make sure they are abit smaller width wise and close together, I can allready think of a few awesome spots for it.



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I would like to point out that people who are not used to computer generated images, like those featured in most modern games, like city of heroes , have a tendency to get motion sickness or have some kind of ill feeling, even though we after hours of use feel perfectly fine.
Very shortly after I started, someone TPed me to the top of a really tall building in Atlas and I actually got feelings of vertigo looking over the edge. Not that this bothered me. Quite the contrary, I thought it was really cool.


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Very shortly after I started, someone TPed me to the top of a really tall building in Atlas and I actually got feelings of vertigo looking over the edge. Not that this bothered me. Quite the contrary, I thought it was really cool.
:P I still get that feeling if I fall for a great ways.



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I though it looked really cool. I guess having depth is a little too much for most people. I love the idea of this game someday having a true 3-D option. Just another way to really get drawn into the world.


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I would like to point out that people who are not used to computer generated images, like those featured in most modern games, like city of heroes , have a tendency to get motion sickness or have some kind of ill feeling, even though we after hours of use feel perfectly fine.
In my entire time playing video games, and I've been playing them for the past 20 years, I only got sick enough to bother me once, and that was running around in Tomb Raider 2, for some odd reason. I've felt "off" a few times since, especially when I haven't played shooters proper for some time (City of Heroes isn't anywhere near as nauseating as FPS games), but at the worst of time, it's a slight discomfort, and far less prominent than the "sick to my stomach" feeling I get when I wake up hungry. And even at the worst of times, it passes if I so much as get off the PC for five minutes, not that I do.

Your "3D" gave me a headache that STILL hasn't fully subsided. It's worse than the horror show I was after watching all of Avatar in accursed 3D. It made me feel rotten enough to where I was barely able to play anything for the rest of the day.

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While the initial "gimmick" of 3D and the hiccups in getting the experience to a more presentable level may turn you off initially its worth giving it a chance because its really something special to experience.
I've experienced 3D proper, with the glasses and the lenses and all. I saw the illusion of 3D. Clear as day. I didn't buy it. Not for a moment. I knew I was supposed to see things as 3D, but it just felt like my eyes were out of focus and out of alignment. It didn't look 3D. It looked fake. Occasionally, I'll see "ghosts" like that just looking at normal stuff when my eyes are tired or out of focus, so this didn't feel like genuine 3D. It felt like the emulation of an illusion of something that didn't even resemble 3D. The experience was only ever "special," in the sense that, to quote Yahtzee: "I'm sorry my son ate your shoes. He's a bit special."

I HATE 3D. Of any kind. It physically hurts me to experience it, and it throws me into fits of rage when people praise it. Because I know what it means - more exposure, more publicity, more fame, more movies in 3D and 3D only that I have to pay more for and leave the theatre with my head in my hands, not only having had the movie ruined for me, but feeling like I'm about to return my lunch. The less this exists, the better. I can deal with it existing somewhere out there where I don't have to run into it, but I do not want it anywhere near anything I enjoy to look upon, such as this game.

I know some people can't see flat-drawn 3D like it is in most contemporary games. I don't know if it's a lack of ability to actually "see" it or lack of an ability to manoeuvre around it, but there it is. I know my mother is TERRIBLE at it, but that's to be expected. But that's mostly because of how I play, as I have a rather higher tolerance for nausea than most people, at least when it comes to visuals. But even at the best of times, flat-drawn 3D is not attempting to fool our EYES, only our minds. It's a 2D picture that I can "read" in the exact same manner as I can read the words off a page. I do not have to refocus my eyes in order to see it. All I have to do is focus them on the screen, and everything else is visible.

The moment you start asking people to focus on imaginary centres out in space, you're going to cause headaches, because in my experience, eye focus is the primary cause of general headaches that I'm aware of. I don't want to focus on thin air so I can see images off to the side. It's the same with filter lens 3D. I'm trying to focus on where the image "feels" like it is, only there's no image there, just empty air, so my eyes blur. But I can't focus on the screen, because though the image IS there, it doesn't "feel" like it's there. And so my eyes are constantly focusing and refocusing and refocusing until it feels like someone took a bicycle pump and inflated my face.

Mess with the picture the eye can see all you want, but don't try to make the eye see like the eye is not designed to see. That HURTS.


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Just to show I'm not a complete dick, I went back to risk another day's worth of headache and tried this thing again. I still can't see it. This time, though, I know why. I can't cross my eyes. Or rather, I can't cross my eyes without pretending I'm looking at something right in front of my face. Thing is, if I do that, my eyes focus to look at something an inch in front of my face, so I don't see the screen. I can kind of comprehend that there are two pictures and they're melding, but as soon as I try to look at the pictures, i.e. focus on the screen so the image isn't all blurry and unrecognisable, my eyes uncross because I still have pretty good depth perception.

It is physically impossible for me to look at something one distance yet focus on something another distance. I CAN un-focus my eyes in general, but that's not by trying to focus on anything in particular. It's just an instinct I get when my eyes tire and can't really focus on anything, which is what they're doing on me right now after straining them AGAIN. I think I'll star at some blurry text for a while and rest up. I just hope I don't make any spelling mistake typing without being able to read what it is I'm actually putting down.


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Just to show I'm not a complete dick, I went back to risk another day's worth of headache and tried this thing again. I still can't see it. This time, though, I know why. I can't cross my eyes. Or rather, I can't cross my eyes without pretending I'm looking at something right in front of my face. Thing is, if I do that, my eyes focus to look at something an inch in front of my face, so I don't see the screen. I can kind of comprehend that there are two pictures and they're melding, but as soon as I try to look at the pictures, i.e. focus on the screen so the image isn't all blurry and unrecognisable, my eyes uncross because I still have pretty good depth perception.

It is physically impossible for me to look at something one distance yet focus on something another distance. I CAN un-focus my eyes in general, but that's not by trying to focus on anything in particular. It's just an instinct I get when my eyes tire and can't really focus on anything, which is what they're doing on me right now after straining them AGAIN. I think I'll star at some blurry text for a while and rest up. I just hope I don't make any spelling mistake typing without being able to read what it is I'm actually putting down.
This is more of a issue of the way im presenting it, if it does not work for you then it doesn't.



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Only if there is an option to turn it off. Or better yet an opt in option. Not because I wouldn't use it. In fact I would use it and love it. But instead so I don't have to hear all the whining in broadcast and over various channels about how horrible it is and how it gave somebody a migraine headache that lasted for 3 months.

Sorry but I just happen to hate 3d detractors. Not those who just don't like it but those who want motion picture and game companies to completely stop attempting to refine and use it. If you don't want to see something in 3d then don't see it in 3d. If we were to follow the thought processes of some of these people 3d would be banned. Of course if we are going to do that then color should be banned because color blind people can't enjoy it as much as good crisp black and white footage. Or better yet ban visual mediums all together since blind people will enjoy movies much more if they are just audio dramas. We can still call them movies though because they move you emotionally.

And before somebody jumps on this post due to their own inability to decipher what I am saying. No I am not saying that eliminating 3d will lead to eliminating all visual media. I am saying that your argument that 3d is worthless and shouldn't be pursued is the same as an argument by a blind person that visuals are worthless and shouldn't be pursued. Just because you can't get enjoyment out of it doesn't mean others shouldn't.

And for Samuel. Are you able to use viewmasters normally? They are using the exact same method that the above pictures do only they present the images separately to each eye. I've always been able to see the stereoscopic images like in this thread just as easily and comfortably as with a viewmaster. I suspect you have the type of vision where one eye is strongly dominant. If the two views don't conflict then both eyes will focus fine. However if they do conflict as in the images caused by red/green or alternate polarization or indeed the crossed eyes to see the above 3d (although the central image focus is the same everything in the background is different.) then the dominant eye takes over and the secondary eye loses focus causing 3d to become nothing more than 2d with a blurring that sort of simulates 3d. It's the second eye trying to regain focus as you concentrate on the 3d that causes the eye strain. If this is the case and you can use viewmasters fine then a headset that presented separate images to each eye should work fine for you. Unfortunately nobody uses that method yet except some primitive vr demo concepts.


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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
I'm going to keep being a "negative Nancy" as long as people keep suggesting technology and techniques that GIVE ME A HEADACHE! I tried to view the 3D perspective in the link you provided, and it makes my eyes HURT. I can't cross my eyes consistently, because it hurts the muscles in my eyes, and when anything inside my skull hurts, my head begins throbbing. Not only that, but after trying to see your 3D for a while, I managed to unfocus my idle vision and needed some rest time just to be able to see straight again.

I don't want technology which requires me to suffer through pain, possibly incur permanent damage as I already have from forcing my eyes too far to the side one too many times, and fight through "training" just to be able to see the god damn thing. I would sooner take filter lens 3D over this crap, because while filter lens 3D gives me headaches, at least it doesn't damage my eyes as far as I can tell, and I'm able to see normally just as soon as I take off the glasses.

And I HATE filter lens 3D. My eyes are very capable of telling the difference between actual depth perception and optical illusion, which is what gives me headaches. I'd much sooner deal with flat 3D or Lisar's cheating flat 3D technology than anything which tries to fool my brain into seeing depth that isn't there.

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Yeah, I'll admit. Your link giving me a headache that lasted me THAT ENTIRE DAY may have coloured the tone of my reply.
While your posts normally have great content and intelligent points, I can see none here.

Adding features only gives everyone more options. Take "ultra mode" for example. Did the devs adding it completely lock out the people that play on low-end systems?

Nope.

It just "enhanced" the experience for those that were able to experience it. Everyone else continued playing as normal.

It's the same with this technology. Another great example of this is the game Resident Evil 5 for PC. The game is designed so if you want to view it in 3D with NVIDIA's 3D system, you can (and BOY, does it POP!!! I tried it at Comic-Con 2009)... But, if you don't want to, you're not "excluded" from playing the game. I have the game for my computer, but I don't have any sort of 3D system to take advantage of those features. Does that "ruin" the game for me?

Nope.

Does it make the game look really bad if I don't have glasses on?

Nope.

I'm sorry, but posts like that come off as extremely selfish, near-sighted (pardon the pun), and close-minded.

If they added a feature like that to this game, do you think it would affect your experience playing at all, if you chose not to utilize it?

Not in any way, shape, or form.

You either choose to use it, or you don't.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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As long as it doesn't take time/resources/people away from other things and is optional, fine.


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As long as it doesn't take time/resources/people away from other things and is optional, fine.
Pretty much.

But let me explain why I keep harping on this. Most of the time I will simply ignore suggestions for features I don't want. This one, however, I've made a point to speak up on every time I see it, and for one simple reason. I hate 3D in every incarnation, and I intend to do everything I can to not only avoid it, but prevent it form catching on any more than it has. I hate this concept so much that not only do I not want to experience it, I do not want it to exist.

Not just in this game, not just in movies I want to see. AT ALL. Doing nothing is not an option in this case, because I am not indifferent to it. I am not simply grumpy. I do not want this added in such a way that it doesn't affect me. I do not want it added AT ALL, because I hate the concept just so much. I reserve this kind of hatred of 3D and 3D alone. Not PvP, not loot, not raids, not economies, not any of the other MMO traditions that I've spent so long badmouthing. Them I'd be happy if I could just avoid. This I reserve my most extreme hatred for, because I despise the concept. It ruins my game and my entertainment in general merely by existing. The very thought that someone could go "Hmm... 3D works in that game. Maybe I'll add it to my game, too!" makes my hair stand up on end.

Yes, I realise I'm probably alone in this, which is why it's good I'm not in charge, isn't it? I also realise that my stance is neither profound nor very intelligent, but we all have our pet peeves, and this just happens to be mine. I will continue to campaign against the addition of ANY kind of 3D into this game, and ultimately, I'll let the developers decide.


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As long as it doesn't take time/resources/people away from other things and is optional, fine.
well, given they added some rather frivolous support for alien-ware lights id think it could be fit in.

Id like to say now that I don't think this is something that will be ever be officially supported in this game, like if nvidia added openGL support for its 3d driver or if AMD developed such a feature.

Maybe for a sequel of some sort...



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Thanks for giving us something to pass the time!

These were really hard to do! I finally got them all, but jeez usually I am very good at magic eye pictures and these were much tougher to see properly.


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