Fire/fire blaster AV soloing build


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I am looking for a fully ioed build for a fire/fire blaster that is specifically for AV soloing. I am really looking for builds with the best IOs in the games; mainly purples. If you have one you are willing to share or know where to find one I would really appreciate the post. Thanks


 

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Originally Posted by Infernose View Post
I am looking for a fully ioed build for a fire/fire blaster that is specifically for AV soloing. I am really looking for builds with the best IOs in the games; mainly purples. If you have one you are willing to share or know where to find one I would really appreciate the post. Thanks

Building a blaster specifically for AVs is going to make you rip handfuls of your hair out. While it is possible Fire/Fire will specifically give you fits because it is (more than almost any other combo in the game) designed to mow through large numbers of enemies instead of dealing with 1 or 2 strong ones.

That note asside, Purples are not the way to go if you are trying a AV solo build. Some will be of use to you but relying soley on purples will leave you broke with a bad taste in your mouth cause for the most part they are only worth using if you are planning on exmping down alot and or going for TONS of recharge.

You are going to want to beef up your regen and max HP as well make certain your endurance recovery is off the charts. Since fire has very little debuff power you will have to overcome theyre more than powerful regeneration with nothing more than your pure damge. That means that if you stop attacking for even a moment they are gonna heal like crazy.

If you are planning on a build with the intent of soloing AVs I suggest you start with a build that is already better suited for it. Im not hating on Fire/Fire cause thats my main, but I am warning you ahead of time that we are not well equipped to do what you are trying.


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I am looking for a fully ioed build for a fire/fire blaster that is specifically for AV soloing. I am really looking for builds with the best IOs in the games; mainly purples. If you have one you are willing to share or know where to find one I would really appreciate the post. Thanks
As mentioned purple IOs does not mean better.

Maybe a Traps / Rad, Traps Sonic Defender or Corruptor.

You need defenses soft capped to protect you and some sort of debuff to build up the dps and to kill the regen.

Between Traps FFG and Scorpion shield you will be capped in some defenses, tough, weave, combat jump maybe even Maneuvers slotted with IO sets should get you the rest. I think its the easiest and cheapest way to go at least.

So you might want to ask in the defenders or corruptors forum


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I am looking for a fully ioed build for a fire/fire blaster that is specifically for AV soloing. I am really looking for builds with the best IOs in the games; mainly purples. If you have one you are willing to share or know where to find one I would really appreciate the post. Thanks

Purples aren't going to help you solo AVs. They mostly provide Recovery/Regen, Accuracy, and Recharge bonuses. None of those things are going to keep you alive with an AV hitting you.

Look into softcapping your defense, and pick up Aid Self. There are a couple ways you can softcap: Either Smashing/Lethal softcap, or ranged softcap. You will probably do better with ranged defense and Hover.

As others will tell you, post your own build, and we'll give you advice on how to improve it.


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If you're using one of the secondaries like Fire that has an Immob, you can stay on the ground as most AVs don't have unusual Immob protection.

In all cases you'll need capped Rng and probably close to capped AoE defenses. And if you're going to go into melee you'll need capped S/L or Melee, also.


 

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If you want a blaster to do it, fire/psy will be best because of drain psyche. If you want fire but don't mind it not being a blaster, fire/traps corr will be better. And then if you want fast paced, you need some kind of radiation debuffer, probably fire or ill rad troller.

A fire/fire blaster, however, will be very difficult.


 

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A fire/fire blaster, however, will be very difficult.
Difficult, yes, but doable.

A fire/fire blaster has soloed an ITF before, so it is clearly possible to solo AVs with one (You have to in order to complete the ITF, no he didn't do it with no deaths, and it took him a long time, but he did it nonetheless)

On the plus side, a Fire/ blaster will have no problem outdamaging an AVs regen. If a scrapper can kill one, a blaster can as well. Blasters just need to figure out how to survive it.


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Difficult, yes, but doable.

A fire/fire blaster has soloed an ITF before, so it is clearly possible to solo AVs with one (You have to in order to complete the ITF, no he didn't do it with no deaths, and it took him a long time, but he did it nonetheless)

On the plus side, a Fire/ blaster will have no problem outdamaging an AVs regen. If a scrapper can kill one, a blaster can as well. Blasters just need to figure out how to survive it.

the only way i can see this happening... is

you have to softcap your melee defenses... and have some sort of self heal. i'd say that demands ICE as your epic powerset.

You'd probably have to build as a blapper, not a pure blaster... and cap out your highest damage attacks (melee or ranged), you'll probably need a solid travel power like ss, which would give you haste as well... with combat jumping as a must. You'll need weave... you'll need stealth... and you'll need a boatload of mez removal insp and def buff inspire.

i'm not sure if that will work but it seems like the most likely chance to make fire/fire work


 

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Just adding...my main is a Fire/Fire/Cold. He's softcapped on Smashing and Lethal Defences and have insane accuracy, recovery and his recharge is damn good (downtime on Hasten is 10 seconds). While it certainly is not cheap, it's not hard. However, with a recharge time of 151 seconds [on my build at least], Hoarfrost is not a realiable self heal against AVs.

A Fire/Fire blaster wanting to solo AVs is going to have a specific build for it. Because as it's been mentioned before Fire's primary goal is massive AoE damage, and /Fire only augments that reasoning with powers like Fire Sword Circle and HotFeet and Consume. If you want to solo AVs with a Fire/Fire you'll have to skip most of your AoEs (I'd skip Fireball, Fire Sword Circle, Rain of Fire, and of course, the Nova and possibly Fire Breath) and pick up Aid Self and shove as many slots in it as possible. You'll want to max it's recharge, heal, and reduce the interrupt time as much possible to use it on the fly. Personally, I would keep HotFeet and Blazing Aura. Additional damage never hurts. Slot Consume with max recharge and End Mod because you're going to use it a lot. Recharge, you're going to want as much as possible from it...Because you want your Build Up and Aim to be up as often as possible. While you can create an infinite attack chain with your attacks within a reasonable amount of recharge, you'd still want much more for your spike damage providers. I'd also consider slotting the Decimation chance for build up proc in your fastest recharging attack. Regen for a blaster with the Ice Epic is useless, because you while you have softcapped defences, your have next to no resist. And each hit you'll take will HURT. Regen isn't going to help you effectively if you don't have decent resists to back it up.

I would try to work something on Mids right now, but I'm at work. I'll see if I can gather something together when I get home. But regardless, you'll have to keep in mind that even though I know my Fire/Fire blaster inside out, mine is built for insane AoE carnage, not soloing AVs. So the build will have some theoretical aspects to it.


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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
Difficult, yes, but doable.

A fire/fire blaster has soloed an ITF before, so it is clearly possible to solo AVs with one (You have to in order to complete the ITF, no he didn't do it with no deaths, and it took him a long time, but he did it nonetheless)

On the plus side, a Fire/ blaster will have no problem outdamaging an AVs regen. If a scrapper can kill one, a blaster can as well. Blasters just need to figure out how to survive it.

That was Kranik and I don't recall if he did it with no deaths and scrapper rules (no temps no insps). I am guessing that the OP is operating under the no temps no insps constraint.


 

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Thanks for all the feedback. However, I know it is possible because I have seen it done. I also know someone with a fire/fire/fire blaster that can solo ITF. This person has an amazing build and was kind enough to share it will me. The build has maxxed damage as well as amazing regen, accuracy, and defense. With this build I have been able to handle any lvl group with ease, farm, and solo some AVs. I love this build and use it for tasks forces and farming. However, now seeing that I can handle some Avs with it I wanted to see if anyone had a build specifically for AVs on a fire/fire blaster that would allow me to handle any AV I may choose to face. This will be my second build and I know it has been done because I have seen it. I appreciate the various ideas on what would work and I have began trying things out on Mids. I would definitely appreciate any more ideas of an example if someone is willing to share.

Also I didnt mean I wanted a build with only purples I was just basically trying to say influence is not a concern and I will make the amount of influence needed to support the build. I want the very best possible so was just saying to include the best IOs for the build. Thanks to everyone who has posted something already and I will let you know what I come up with when I finish it in the future.


 

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Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and chip in on this one.

First of all, out of all these replies only one person was somewhat on the right'ish tracks, almost. Since you want to solo AVs on a Fire/Fire Blaster, and since that is such an unusual build on an unusual archetype, there isn't really much valid advice that you're gonna find out there, since not many people have done it before (yes, kranik pulled it off but I seem to remember he used temp powers).

My advice is to come up with a build of your own and dive head-first into battle. See what your deficienies are, then make a build to patch those deficiencies, then dive back into battle, etc


 

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OP, best advice I can give is to post your build and give us a general idea on your strategy, and folks can brainstorm in this thread to try to come up with some ideas. I, and certainly some others, have soloed AV's before but not with fire/fire, so my build tips may not be relevant to what you're trying to do.