Fire/Kin


Bloody Strike

 

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So I just got him to 50 and have around 300 mil to spend. Anyone got a nice build I could look at?


 

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No, but if you put one together I'd be happy to offer help with it.

Basics: take your core powers (Fire Blast, Ball, Blaze, Rain, Siphon Speed, SB, Transference and FS)

Get decent +recharge, +hp and +rec. For a more expensive build, aim for softcapped smashing/lethal defense using Scorpion Shield.


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I have a 50 Ar/Kin and to me it's more important to have the defence. Look at soft capping smashing/lethal with Scorpion Shield and set bonuses before anything else.

Recharge sure is nice but you will want to be in combat frequently with Fulcrum Shift and you're probably going to get a lot of people angry with you when you hit your AOEs immediately afterwards. All the recharge in the world will do you no good if you die 0.25 seconds after your first AOE.

Recharge is also handled by Siphon Speed If you can afford both then go for it but I would make #1 priority survival. Kinetics really gives you everything else you need.


 

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Silas, what are you thoughts on the value of soft-capping vs. a 33% target?

Getting Scorpion Shield, Weave, Combat Jumping and a +3% Def IO gets me to the 32%-33% level. Add a small purple inspiration and bam! Soft cap. Given a scan of how much the kinetic combat IOs are running for (OMGWTFPWN), its been on my mind lately. Crikey, some of those buggers run for more than a purple apocalypse triple (and that's not cheap).


 

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Rad_Avenger, Softcapping is obviously better but if you're okay with 32-33% I think that's fine. As long as you keep a row or two of purple insp you should be fine.

33ish % is still mitigating a huge amount of incoming damage and inspirations aren't exactly hard to come by so I'd say go for it. That also gives you more wiggle room for stuff like +hp and +recharge.

BunnyAnomaly, While I agree that the defense is of much more benefit than +rech/+hp it's not realistic to softcap a Kin Corr for 300m. Kinetic Combats are the easiest and most effective way to do so and it's not possible to reach the 3.75% def bonus from the set without having to buy at least 1 of the expensive pieces.

You make it sound like you either have softcapped defenses or you die instantly in every spawn. That's just not accurate. Okay, if you rush headfirst into a x8 spawn with only your APP shield without popping insp you'll probably faceplant, but wanting your character to be able to survive a full team spawns worth of aggro is hardly conventional.

If the OP hadn't mentioned a budget or had a much higher one I'd say definitely go for the softcap. Softcapping can be expensive and a Kin Corr can be survivable enough for realistic scenarios (as in not tanking a x8 spawn without insp/support) with just their APP shield. To that end, I recommended going for the other core stuff which will help a lot and are very manageable with a 300m budget.

It is true that Kin gives you a fast recharging heal, end refiller and +recharge buff, but getting good +hp, +rec and +recharge are still of great benefit to a Kin. The more hp you have, the more breathing room you have for hitting Transfusion. The more recovery you have, the more you can focus on kinning/blasting and not having to refill your end bar as often. The more recharge you have, the more you can use Fulcrum Shift, your AoEs and your best blasts. Hell, the more recharge you have the more recharge you can get from stacking Siphon Speed.


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Originally Posted by Rad_Avenger View Post
Silas, what are you thoughts on the value of soft-capping vs. a 33% target?

Getting Scorpion Shield, Weave, Combat Jumping and a +3% Def IO gets me to the 32%-33% level. Add a small purple inspiration and bam! Soft cap. Given a scan of how much the kinetic combat IOs are running for (OMGWTFPWN), its been on my mind lately. Crikey, some of those buggers run for more than a purple apocalypse triple (and that's not cheap).
You should definitely soft cap. Here's why:

Let's assume 50% chance to hit which is typical of minions.

45% defence = 5% chance to hit

33% defence = 17% chance to hit

By soft capping you take a mere 1/3 the damage that you would from a 33% cap (actually it's less than a 1/3!). Put in perspective that's like having someone with 0% resistance compared to a tank with 66% resistance. Is it worth it? Yes!

There are plenty of cheap ways to soft cap your defences. I did my corrupter for very very cheap:

6 slotting Thunderstrike gives 3.75% Energy/NE.

I slotted Kick for Kinetic Combat for 3.75% Smashing/Lethal

Tough with Reactive Armour gives 1.25% Energy/NE and 1.25% Smashing/Lethal

Rectified Reticle with just two gives another 1.88% Smashing/Lethal

With basically just that bare minimum I capped Smashing/Lethal and am about 2% off capping Energy/NE, but I stopped playing the character for a bit. It would be pretty easy to respec and fix that up - most of my slots actually are just level 40 IOs.


 

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Originally Posted by Silas View Post
BunnyAnomaly, While I agree that the defense is of much more benefit than +rech/+hp it's not realistic to softcap a Kin Corr for 300m. Kinetic Combats are the easiest and most effective way to do so and it's not possible to reach the 3.75% def bonus from the set without having to buy at least 1 of the expensive pieces.
You only need 12% defence from set bonuses to soft cap, I did that in substantially less than 100 million. 12% is next to nothing...

Here's what I have to cap smashing/lethal:

1 set of 4 Kinetic Combat (the cheapest ones I could find on the trader, they go pretty cheap at low levels)

1 set of 4 Reactive Armour

1 Gaussian Set in Tactics (that will be expensive)

1 set of 2 Rectified Reticle

As for the rest, I just 4 slotted Weave/Manouvers/Scorpion Shield for maximum Defence. It goes past the point of diminishing returns but is spectacularly cheap.

If you can't afford those 4 sets you can't afford the 3% Def (all). Those 4 are super cheap.


 

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The Steadfast +3def can be easily had for 5mil and even better can be had for free from level 10-14 bronze rolls from the AE


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Originally Posted by BunnyAnomaly View Post
You only need 12% defence from set bonuses to soft cap, I did that in substantially less than 100 million. 12% is next to nothing...

Here's what I have to cap smashing/lethal:

1 set of 4 Kinetic Combat (the cheapest ones I could find on the trader, they go pretty cheap at low levels)

1 set of 4 Reactive Armour

1 Gaussian Set in Tactics (that will be expensive)

1 set of 2 Rectified Reticle

As for the rest, I just 4 slotted Weave/Manouvers/Scorpion Shield for maximum Defence. It goes past the point of diminishing returns but is spectacularly cheap.

If you can't afford those 4 sets you can't afford the 3% Def (all). Those 4 are super cheap.
Ah yeah, Maneuvers too. Maneuvers is a good way to help get to the softcap on the cheap.

Good point, the low level Kin Combats can actually be really, really cheap. They are quite hard to find though and the supply is spotty at best since they're low level and BM supply is fairly weak in general.

For that reason I tend to not advertise softcapping a Kin (or anything other than a SR, really) as cheap.

Yeah, the 3% is awesomely cheap. Stick that and a -KB Steadfast in Tough and you're good to go


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Originally Posted by Silas View Post
Yeah, the 3% is awesomely cheap. Stick that and a -KB Steadfast in Tough and you're good to go
Put it in Improved Density and it doesn't even cost a slot!


 

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Not softcapped but i think its a good build. this is what i plan on using for my lvl 41 fire/kin

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