The web means the end of forgetting


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I was just discussing this subject with Ice9 the other night...

The web means the end of forgetting
- link to the original NY times article.



Four years ago, Stacy Snyder, then a 25-year-old teacher in training at Conestoga Valley High School in Lancaster, Pa., posted a photo on her MySpace page that showed her at a party wearing a pirate hat and drinking from a plastic cup, with the caption “Drunken Pirate.” After discovering the page, her supervisor at the high school told her the photo was “unprofessional,” and the dean of Millersville University School of Education, where Snyder was enrolled, said she was promoting drinking in virtual view of her under-age students. As a result, days before Snyder’s scheduled graduation, the university denied her a teaching degree. Snyder sued, arguing that the university had violated her First Amendment rights by penalizing her for her (perfectly legal) after-hours behavior. But in 2008, a federal district judge rejected the claim, saying that because Snyder was a public employee whose photo didn’t relate to matters of public concern, her “Drunken Pirate” post was not protected speech.
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When historians of the future look back on the perils of the early digital age, Stacy Snyder may well be an icon. The problem she faced is only one example of a challenge that, in big and small ways, is confronting millions of people around the globe: how best to live our lives in a world where the Internet records everything and forgets nothing — where every online photo, status update, Twitter post and blog entry by and about us can be stored forever. With Web sites like LOL Facebook Moments, which collects and shares embarrassing personal revelations from Facebook users, ill-advised photos and online chatter are coming back to haunt people months or years after the fact. Examples are proliferating daily: there was the 16-year-old British girl who was fired from her office job for complaining on Facebook, “I’m so totally bored!!”; there was the 66-year-old Canadian psychotherapist who tried to enter the United States but was turned away at the border — and barred permanently from visiting the country — after a border guard’s Internet search found that the therapist had written an article in a philosophy journal describing his experiments 30 years ago with L.S.D.

According to a recent survey by Microsoft, 75 percent of U.S. recruiters and human-resource professionals report that their companies require them to do online research about candidates, and many use a range of sites when scrutinizing applicants — including search engines, social-networking sites, photo- and video-sharing sites, personal Web sites and blogs, Twitter and online-gaming sites. Seventy percent of U.S. recruiters report that they have rejected candidates because of information found online, like photos and discussion-board conversations and membership in controversial groups.

Technological advances, of course, have often presented new threats to privacy. In 1890, in perhaps the most famous article on privacy ever written, Samuel Warren and Louis Brandeis complained that because of new technology — like the Kodak camera and the tabloid press — “gossip is no longer the resource of the idle and of the vicious but has become a trade.” But the mild society gossip of the Gilded Age pales before the volume of revelations contained in the photos, video and chatter on social-media sites and elsewhere across the Internet. Facebook, which surpassed MySpace in 2008 as the largest social-networking site, now has nearly 500 million members, or 22 percent of all Internet users, who spend more than 500 billion minutes a month on the site. Facebook users share more than 25 billion pieces of content each month (including news stories, blog posts and photos), and the average user creates 70 pieces of content a month. There are more than 100 million registered Twitter users, and the Library of Congress recently announced that it will be acquiring — and permanently storing — the entire archive of public Twitter posts since 2006.


 

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OMG! ! ! If they record Jello Shooters we are all screwed!


 

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OMG! ! ! If they record Jello Shooters we are all screwed!
Oddly, because we tend to police each other as far as RL controversial subjects, JS may be one of the safest things in game to have held against you. Innuendo sure (!!!), but no real "Did you say this on such-and-such a date ?!!" stuff that would come back to bite you.

As far as the topic overall ::sigh:: I've long assumed that anywhere I go, anything I do on the net can be pigeon holed away somewhere and rise to bite me one day. I avoid extremist (on most any topic) sites, I avoid actually registering on anything that could come back to bite me, and I basically CYA wherever I go. So far, so good


 

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I hardly say anything about myself on my Facebook/MySpace (Hell, I barely check MySpace).

Even still, if somebody were to plug my name into Google, they find some OTHER guy with my name who's WAY younger and not in the same state.

Frankly, I'm actually SURPRISED there's another guy with my first and last name combination out there. Still, I'll go ahead and be happy that he takes the brunt of the investigations.


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Sometimes I wish I could be that anonymous Having a weird name can have its drawbacks.


 

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Personally if someone doesn't want to hire me for something I did or said after working hours, I probably don't want to work for them anyway.


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Personally if someone doesn't want to hire me for something I did or said after working hours, I probably don't want to work for them anyway.
Agreed, however, it's a bit different having your degree witheld because of it.


 

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That's where you sue for breach of contract.


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Yeah she went about the lawsuit the wrong way, Freedom of Speech does not protect us from everything we say, do, or support. She should have gone the route of breach of contract with the school.

Wish I could find the source, but I remember hearing about a 20 something guy that was not allowed onto an airplane due to what his shirt said. They stated if he were to change his shirt they would have let him on, he of course stated that all his clothes were in his luggage and he refused to purchase another shirt from gift shop.

Basically he was denied flight and was not given a refund; he turned around and sued based on freedom of speech and lost, because the court ruled that it does not apply when flying and company policy took precedence.

Just keep in mind, do you have freedom of speech at work? If we did, there would never be any lost jobs over a wide variety of discussions that happen while working.


 

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...Just keep in mind, do you have freedom of speech at work? ...
Heck, in Canada, there is no such thing as free speech - contrary to the widely-held public assumption.

There are recorded cases where saying the truth (documented facts) even landed people in court, and at least one where a man was sued because his statements (even if true) made another person feel uncomfortable.


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Heck, in Canada, there is no such thing as free speech - contrary to the widely-held public assumption.

We don't in Canada, because it's illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation. Now, mind you, I *like* these limitations and the protections they provide, but putting a limit on what you can and cannot say really does mean you don't truly have 'free speech.' I can live with these restrictions, because it's just common sense to me. But, like I said before Free Speech is an all or nothing deal - you either have it, or you don't.

With regards to facebook, I just don't make my profile public; problem solved.


 

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Free Speech is an all or nothing deal - you either have it, or you don't.
Pretty much sums it up There really aren't any shades of gray on this one.


 

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We don't in Canada, because it's illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation...
The cases I referred to involved citing documented, researched facts.

They're a far cry from inciting hatred.

"Hatred" in Canada has been interpreted in our courts as "whatever makes one feel uncomfortable, regardless of truth" - if you're in the right minority group.


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The cases I referred to involved citing documented, researched facts.

They're a far cry from inciting hatred.

"Hatred" in Canada has been interpreted in our courts as "whatever makes one feel uncomfortable, regardless of truth" - if you're in the right minority group.

I edited my quote of your quote previously to be clearer.


 

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well that's stupid. If I lived in Canada I'd have been sued to oblivion by now. Course I get nauseous when I here schools banning games like tag, because someone has to be it and it usually is the slow person.

When I was the slow person, being it sucked, but you know what.... I got faster and then found a slower person than me.

Weiner Weiner.




Just felt like saying weiner.


 

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well that's stupid. If I lived in Canada I'd have been sued to oblivion by now. Course I get nauseous when I here schools banning games like tag, because someone has to be it and it usually is the slow person.

When I was the slow person, being it sucked, but you know what.... I got faster and then found a slower person than me.

Weiner Weiner.




Just felt like saying weiner.
That made me feel uncomfortable and I'm suing.

And as a parent, don't even get me started about how wussifying the schools are now, as they take more and more responsibilities away from parents who should know better.

I'm expecting helmets to be mandatory indoors anytime now.


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While I feel that the woman in the article got a horribly unfair shake on this, it highlights what I've been saying in security and hacking circles for years.

Don't put ANYTHING on the net that you wouldn't feel comfortable saying/doing/reproducing in front of a law enforcement officer, your mother, a job interviewer, and/or your boss.

Contrary to popular belief, spewing every last insignificant piece of minutae about your life into a venue of potentially SIX BILLION VIEWERS is NOT a good thing.

Yes, 99.999% of them probably will never see it. Of those that do, 99.99% won't really give a damn. Of the fraction of a percent that's left, at least a few are probably people in there you don't want to expose that kind of info to. No matter how harmless it seems at the time.



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That made me feel uncomfortable and I'm suing.

And as a parent, don't even get me started about how wussifying the schools are now, as they take more and more responsibilities away from parents who should know better.

I'm expecting helmets to be mandatory indoors anytime now.
A lot of those parents who should know better complained that the schools should have been doing more.

It's a vicious cycle.


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