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Just another friendly reminder that we cannot discuss prices on this forum. You should take it to PM or to dA or something.


 

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Hadn't thought of it that way, RedFire. I am not willing to do the work I do for free without cause.

Curiously, Durakken, and Caemgen, are any of your interested in purchasing a commission from me?

Warmest wishes;

Nobodythere
Unfortunately not for 2 reasons...
#1. The place where I get my money is mad at me at the moment ^.^
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#2. When I go out looking for artists for something its not just about getting the art done. To me, every character and story has a certain style of appearance and media so I always try to aim for that when ever I go out looking for artists and your style doesn't fit anything currently.

But it's mainly #1 :P

As far as the other thing... Most that work on the scale I mentioned work on a gradient that caps at around 200-250 with all the bells and whistles...which is full colored group shot with a high detailed background. Most of the images in this thread if I remember correctly, it's been a while since I looked at these type things, would be around 100-150 in most scaling price models.


 

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Prove to me that you don't photo trace your artwork and I *might* consider your skill to be worthy of such ridiculous prices. I could hire pros for less.


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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=115217
The Guide to BURN

 

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I do know a few professional artists who charge an hourly fee for their work but those artists do not tend to get alot of commission work their way. There can be alot of dispute over how much actual time the artists spend on the piece.

In the guide I wrote, I touched upon pricing. You can get original art (the original physical) of your a character (full-body) drawn by a published professional artist for $40-50 at a convention. Usually, in under an hour.

I think you're over-pricing your work. Much of the art on the featured section of my gallery cost less than what you're mark is set at and well, I've noticed a couple of tendencies in your work which don't quite make it on par with the price you're setting. One, your line weights/values are all the same whether they're details or shape contours. Since all the line weights are the same, the figure doesn't seem to have a whole lot of depth. Two, your colors are somewhat flat as well. On your last piece, for instance, the colors on the skin have no gradients to blend the colors into each other so the different shades look rather harsh.


 

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If I would have been drinking coffee when I read your commission info I would have ruined my keyboard.

best of luck with that.


 

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nobodythere - No thanks.

Everyone else - Ok, ok... point made. No need to keep pounding it in. Anyway, if they're getting those prices then more power to them... Can only bode well for when artists of similiar or better skill want to raise theirs.


 

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Another thing to consider...

Someone like me can lay down a sketch in maybe 2 mins, and if I was a good inker I'd say it'd take no more than 10-20 mins to get to pro-quality-esque.

If I charge a flat rate...

Colors take me something like an 1-2 hours to do and some people take upwards of 40ish hours. So if you are only charging small amount for colors you are making a huge lose on time and it only gets worse with backgrounds that take forever if it's high detail...

Characters are easier to add and don't really take much more time and all you're doing is giving a bulk rate.

So if you charge what looks like a low amount you are getting tons more money for less work and more people, because of lower cost will go for it, that means you are getting more for less and getting more work at higher cost.

Think about it ^.^


 

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Another thing to consider...

Someone like me can lay down a sketch in maybe 2 mins, and if I was a good inker I'd say it'd take no more than 10-20 mins to get to pro-quality-esque.

If I charge a flat rate... say something like


Colors take me something like an 1-2 hours to do and some people take upwards of 40ish hours. So if you are only charging a small amountfor colors you are making a huge lose on time and it only gets worse with backgrounds that take forever if it's high detail...

Characters are easier to add and don't really take much more time and all you're doing is giving a bulk rate.

So if you charge what looks like a low amount you are getting tons more money for less work and more people, because of lower cost will go for it, that means you are getting more for less and getting more work at higher cost.
Smart, effective business strategy here.

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Anyway, if they're getting those prices then more power to them...Can only bode well for when artists of similiar or better skill want to raise theirs.
That idea is so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin.


 

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Since when is trying to help you a flame?

This is precisely why I stopped going to art forums too many people want to praised and not enough people actually want help and to become better.

And lastly, if you went to school for this, I'd ask what school? and if you realize that many art schools aren't about training artists so much as getting paid and care nothing for the artists' prosperity. Seriously there are quite a few schools that if you present a degree from them you get laughed at and sent to another college for retrain and if they are placed by the college they are often dropped within a given time period.


 

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Hadn't thought of it that way, RedFire. I am not willing to do the work I do for free without cause.

Curiously, Durakken, and Caemgen, are any of your interested in purchasing a commission from me?

Warmest wishes;

Nobodythere
Good for Them, Have one of your works is nice, I still find the order price too ... especially for the Flash vectorization


 

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Going on about how I charge to much for what I do for ten posts was not. None of the those involved are interested in hiring me, even if the price was negotiable.
This is what we call "discussion." And this discussion, most of it, is valid criticism from the point of view that you're trying to sell your work. Noone is going to buy your work, no matter how great or not it is, if it is out of their budget or they just don't like the style of it.

And as I pointed out, your shooting yourself in the foot in several ways and whether or not I personally have any interest in buying your services has no bearing on what I think of your pricing. In fact, some might say that those who don't have interesting in buying your stuff are probably more likely to be telling the truth and give better advice.


 

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Alright, pretty clear my work isn't appreciated. I have posted a process piece before, will do one which is more in depth. My prices are based on what I made when I left school, I am not a self taught artist. Since none of you are willing to talk about commissioning me, this is all flames. Thank you all nonetheless for your suggestions.
Wow. People are logically pointing out why you're over-priced for your target market, but since they're not giving you money, its flaming?!

I've been doing commissions for about 3-4 years, and I'm not self-taught either (and neither is Swanzy, by-the-by). Your prices are well above the market you're working towards/in. I want to freelance illustrate full time, but I realistically know it would be a good idea to keep a part-time job for steady income. Heck, that's why almost all my professors WERE professors! They were gallery painters, designers, freelancers, book illustrators.... but because of what you get paid for that work, they needed to supplement their income.


 

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That idea is so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin.
Glad you didn't miss the point...


 

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Soon, 'Caemgen VS Bayani' will have erased 'Suichiro VS Juggertha' as the most heated forum rivalry! Excellent... all is going according to plan.


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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=115217
The Guide to BURN

 

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Soon, 'Caemgen VS Bayani' will have erased 'Suichiro VS Juggertha' as the most heated forum rivalry! Excellent... all is going according to plan.


Let's not be silly!

It's far more likely we'll stop denying our attraction for each other and just start embarassing everyone with our over the top public displays of affection...


 

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Glad you didn't miss the point...
Oh I don't mean to be negative, but that statement is sheer irony coming from you.


 

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Oh I don't mean to be negative, but that statement is sheer irony coming from you.
This is why Bayani is my rep.


 

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LoL.


 

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NT, don't let certain individuals discourage you from posting your work, or from setting your prices to what you want them to be.

After all, some of us enjoy seeing your work! And those who can afford your prices, will hire you. So hang in there and keep moving forward!


~*~VexXxa~*~
The City Scoop Art Correspondent/Writer "ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER"//"Don't hate because VexXxa is HOT and you're NOT." - JOHNNYKAT


 

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Soon, 'Caemgen VS Bayani' will have erased 'Suichiro VS Juggertha' as the most heated forum rivalry! Excellent... all is going according to plan.
Except, the real "irony" is it's pretty safe to say Caemgen doesn't really care what Bayani thinks about what is and isn't proper art advice, collecting, etc.

And the gang-up routine some of you guys do in order to gain some measure of credibility, while comedic, is ultimately pathetic.

As for your work NT, charge whatever you feel your work is worth. Yes there are some understood market values and what you originally may have posted obviously was perceived as too high here, but there are quite a few artists out there who price work at outrageous prices (Thomas Kincaid comes to mind) and people eat his stuff up and pretty much pay whatever he asks. In terms of an artist that is more familiar to the comic genre, Tim Bradstreet traces straight from his own photo references and he gets cover work all the time - so don't let people bashing your process of using something like Livetrace from Illustrator deter you either. You are making artistic choices in composition and color selections that make these pieces yours. Good luck on developing your craft!



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