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Where are you seeing that it's supposed to have a really high DPS? It may have back in the day, but that has long since been nerfed with the ET change.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
...okay Energy Melee is suppossed to have this potential for great DPS. So what exactly is the chain one is looking to obtain to get this great DPS? With TF and ET's high recharge, I really don't see how it gets this high DPS.
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iirc you ignore TF cos it's DPA isn't very good.
EP, BS, ET and Gloom are what you want (Assuming you have the recharge). Can't remember any kind of chain though, and not sure how safe spamming ET is either.
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I am pretty sure it is still top 3 for single target. It should be #1 due to lack of AoE, but its not as bad as people make out.
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Where are you seeing that it's supposed to have a really high DPS? It may have back in the day, but that has long since been nerfed with the ET change.
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Its litterally like....TF+BS+ET+EP....that may not be it but I know you use both tf and et in it. It does not have long recharges, the self damage allows for the recharge to be shorter than normal (20 instead of 25 or so.) The whole point (not positive, but pretty sure) of the self damage is to allow the recharge and endurance costs to be lower.
It's in the spreadsheet in the scrapper forum.
ET, Gloom, BS, TF, repeat. Needs 237% recharge in TF.
DPA including Arcanatime put TF behind ET and before BS for the top 3.
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Actually I believe the chart he is talking about is the gloomless chart.
How do you get 237% recharge into a power?
Well, say 90% from the power itself, 70% from permahasten and another 77% from sets. Which, btw, is less than you need for permahasten.
Yeah...I was thinking more the lack of Gloom list, where EM came in 2nd place for DPS at 157.
It's proven Gloom just adds alot to DPS. Not that I'm against using Gloom if the concept says use it, but I was trying to figure out the best DPS for a set using just EM attacks.
ET - BS - TF - EP though, is that it? Still seems to require alot of +RCH to get those attacks going, or did Billz list have gaps in the chain and it still managed to get 157?
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So you would need to slot 2-3 Rec reductions into TF itself, have Hasten always up, and then acquire additional haste from Sets (or maybe Quickness from ElecA/SR).
Interesting.
Just been trying to find a great build for my lvl50 EM/EA brute that isn't as squishy as it currently is....while on a meager budget.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Yeah...I was thinking more the lack of Gloom list, where EM came in 2nd place for DPS at 157.
It's proven Gloom just adds alot to DPS. Not that I'm against using Gloom if the concept says use it, but I was trying to figure out the best DPS for a set using just EM attacks. ET - BS - TF - EP though, is that it? Still seems to require alot of +RCH to get those attacks going, or did Billz list have gaps in the chain and it still managed to get 157? |
You have to also realize that those are billz findings, some people have claimed to have found better dps attack chains for powersets. We go off that list because bill seems to be that special kind of math nerd you can just trust.
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Well going off of the gloom attack chain, Im gonna say its ET, Barrage, BS, TF. I dont know why I put EP in there, Im pretty sure barrage has better dpa than EP.
You have to also realize that those are billz findings, some people have claimed to have found better dps attack chains for powersets. We go off that list because bill seems to be that special kind of math nerd you can just trust. |
Barrage has the bigger number though. So Barrage seems to be the Burst damage attack (and has the better animation imo).
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Not only does EP have better DPA, but it ramps up more rapidly with procs. 5 parts Hecatomb (damage proc) and Perfect Zinger add nearly 45 DPA to EP. You especially want to use EP if you have access to these IOs.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Doing a quick look, it looks like EP has the better DPA basically 39 (EP in 1.056 seconds) vs 34 (BAR in 1.584 seconds).
Barrage has the bigger number though. So Barrage seems to be the Burst damage attack (and has the better animation imo). |
...okay Energy Melee is suppossed to have this potential for great DPS. So what exactly is the chain one is looking to obtain to get this great DPS? With TF and ET's high recharge, I really don't see how it gets this high DPS.
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