I'd say reroll as a /dark. I had a /fire and a couple people i know did too and all were deleted. /Fire's dfense is meh, imo.
Great advice there from eryq... lol. Seriously though, what are you aiming for with this toon? Are you looking to make a farming toon, or do you want something capable of surviving AVs and such with ease.
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I completely disagree with you. Only if you build it badly, it will suck.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
I'd say reroll as a /dark. I had a /fire and a couple people i know did too and all were deleted. /Fire's dfense is meh, imo.
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Well, i'm just speaking from my personal experiences. Everyone has their own opinion. You can disagree, but it doesn't make you right either. I've yet to see a /fire defense capable of dealing with anything other than fire dealing baddies that it can easily softcap against. That's why my best suggestion was to reroll it. I wasnt being funny or a jerk, just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
I completely disagree with you. Only if you build it badly, it will suck.
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Okay, but why would anyone think that Fiery Aura was a Defense set? FA has no Defense, it's a pure Resistance set, with superb Self-heal and Endurance-siphon powers. It's nearly impossible to soft-cap Defense on FA - even for the Tankers... so they don't even try. Instead, they build up HP/Regen/Recharge and power through on the Heal, while leveraging the damage dealing properties of Fiery Aura.|
Originally Posted by eryq2
Well, i'm just speaking from my personal experiences. Everyone has their own opinion. You can disagree, but it doesn't make you right either. I've yet to see a /fire defense capable of dealing with anything other than fire dealing baddies that it can easily softcap against. That's why my best suggestion was to reroll it. I wasnt being funny or a jerk, just my opinion.
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If someone told you that FA was a Defensive set, they were definitely leading you astray - it's an offensive Resistance powerset.
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Defensive as in secondary.
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Originally Posted by Fireheart
Okay, but why would anyone think that Fiery Aura was a Defense set? FA has no Defense, it's a pure Resistance set, with superb Self-heal and Endurance-siphon powers. It's nearly impossible to soft-cap Defense on FA - even for the Tankers... so they don't even try. Instead, they build up HP/Regen/Recharge and power through on the Heal, while leveraging the damage dealing properties of Fiery Aura.
If someone told you that FA was a Defensive set, they were definitely leading you astray - it's an offensive Resistance powerset. Be Well! Fireheart |
Gotta agree with Fireheart completely. Spines/Fire toons are rolled as offensive characters, and are not intended to be defensive. They rely on quick kills using burst and dot damage, and also on their resistance and healing. You can try all you like to soft cap their defense, but you'll be very lucky to do so. You'll also have to sacrifice some of what makes them what they are to get them to anywhere near soft capped on defense. Don't waste your time on their defense. Do what Fireheart said, and work on HP, recharge, regen and damage buffing.
Here's an example of a build that has about as much smashing/lethal defense as you're going to get. It isn't a great build, because it's not meant to be. It's just an example of how wrong you can go with spines/fire if you aim for a defensive build. Please don't criticise it, as I already know how bad it is lol.
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easily softcap? You honestly can't know what you're talking about. FA has no defense, and resistance doesn't softcap. You're capped, or you're not (most often, not).|
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I've yet to see a /fire defense capable of dealing with anything other than fire dealing baddies that it can easily softcap against.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
Not in on the controversey, but a quick note.
You are slotting Aegis and Multi-Strike for AoE and FC defense, but you skipped temperature protection which can give you 10% FC res. Unless you crave AoE def, which I fine nearly useless, especially in those low amounts.
It's a cool concept, do what you want, but understand your powers.
[I'd lose RotP to getthe temp protection, actualy, no, I don't play /fire]
edit: typoed damage for defense
My friend wanted help with a spines/fire farm build, so I made him one. Enemies die so fast, the amount of defense you'll get really doesn't matter that much, especially if when instead you build for recharge your heal is up every 12 seconds. And i'll be personally honest, I've never been a fan of fiery embrace, I'd personally ditch it for RotP at 49. No matter how you build it, its a scrapper, chances are you'll eat dirt one of these times :P. FE recharges so slowly though and with build up, I usually forget it's even there:
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Spines Fire ET: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Spines
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Lunge -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(7), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(3), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(3), S'fstPrt-ResKB(42)
Level 2: Spine Burst -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(7), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(11), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal(15), Dct'dW-Rchg(15)
Level 6: Blazing Aura -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), Sciroc-Dam%(34), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(43), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 8: Impale -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(13), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(17), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(17), S'fstPrt-ResKB(42)
Level 18: Quills -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Sciroc-Dam%(31), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(43), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 20: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(46)
Level 24: Consume -- P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(25), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(31)
Level 26: Ripper -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 28: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 30: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 32: Throw Spines -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(33), Posi-Dmg/Rng(33), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), RechRdx-I(40)
Level 35: Tough -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(36), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(36), S'fstPrt-ResKB(36)
Level 38: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Focused Accuracy -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(45), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(45), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(45), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Energy Torrent -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 8% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 8% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 8% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 8% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 8% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 8% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 8% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 8% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 2.25% Max End
- 51.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 52% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 10% FlySpeed
- 80.3 HP (6%) HitPoints
- 10% JumpHeight
- 10% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -12)
- Knockup (Mag -12)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 4.95%
- MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
- 16.5% (0.28 End/sec) Recovery
- 20% (1.12 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 4.41% Resistance(Fire)
- 4.41% Resistance(Cold)
- 1.26% Resistance(Energy)
- 7.51% Resistance(Negative)
- 1.26% Resistance(Toxic)
- 1.26% Resistance(Psionic)
- 10% RunSpeed
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For mobs, Throw Spines > Energy Torrent > Spines Burst > Throw Spines, mobs are dead, and with energy torrent, they're knocked down for when you enter melee to use spine burst so they don't attack back, then you jump out and Throw spines again. After that, any damage you did take, heal up, and enemies are fairly slowed as well, then mop up the bosses of there are any, or shoot off another throw spines, etc you get the idea.| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1400;689;1378;HEX;| |78DAA5935B4F134114C7677B61A1DDB694D252CAAD5C5B041650A3A20F460512956| |AB58427B559CA089BD4D2748B8ABEF8017CF27E897289FA055089F1A379A9E7326D| |6C7C74D3FE7F33FF9E3333E74C37737FDE10E2D159A1052F142DC7C9E70A15AB5C9| |6156FC65AB70BC15CD92E4927B9685764726159174244EB11F98C2C4A695EDBB28B| |45A7A7E1CECBDBB2E44873D19695EDFCB9AD8A15BE58DA901559AA9AF58191DDDC2| |C9A4BD282D5D779B26857612327A026EB1B55F8C947B35C59CAB5F042D92E98E737| |D7B6F319CBA9C2DA7138CC387C77F054F4D43CC202CC8A9655825120F4AF114624E| |128866B14EE169364B9146260F789F13861575761A2E6D57EB868D99F04DF2F42E7| |6FC2488D90DAA2358E43965B65B92F6B687996181982EF0A21789591251C832C2F9| |FC9EBBD4B0BB5DE23743E200C3E241C2932EE10F6214B577BE92F0129D1FA8A60BC| |26F4BE218CBC258CED51560C52DA782FD116A5ED5BC0F22BCB9FA6A82EB002BCB60| |8B07502AC906A5C883BD6AED0D4B80F101756C584B9980E2EA6838BE96F2A668A8B| |D1212BA2CE10B9A451316045D586D127D4E5D853C633C2D40BC24988EBA2BBAAB9B| |B3820CE01F1E7847E8EFB0871DDAA5FDD7CA309BED104DF682FDFE860D38DEE4156| |0F67693D1364CD325C3A96CB47EE4B90F509AC01B5C5C00159C9CF8C2F8CAF7C9F8| |784142FE486AC2155E810B77458813B3BCC9D1D82B8518E738D72EA581372F0D74B| |ABB3A6D91A672CC32F139CEA99784FF54DEE3076197BDCD27DC20A849BAA0E93EB9| |8E63AA6B98E69AE63F6F0EF86CCC1F966544366D8EAF5345E4EF8C02396FE71B29E| |C69B263472063C8D77F4BF9E6F467D9DB6EB3ED065942C88B682A31B2837717A0B4| |7168E56510A38AD7D37EA270D9DC203CDA19C463983F21883743F881FC54009A004| |514228ED281194184A02E51D4AED0FDF960010| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
Very effective, I much prefer spines/fire over spines/DA because with throw spines you are moving around so much, with DA it kinda makes you stay in the middle of the mob too much. Spines/Fire is essentially a defensive blapper.
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Although you can still effectively build a Spines/Fire with defense in mind. That's what I did with mine. You really don't need a boat load of recharge to be effective as a Spines/Fire because your AoE attacks already recharge pretty fast.|
Originally Posted by SpikyShane
Here's an example of a build that has about as much smashing/lethal defense as you're going to get. It isn't a great build, because it's not meant to be. It's just an example of how wrong you can go with spines/fire if you aim for a defensive build. Please don't criticise it, as I already know how bad it is lol.
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This is my build that I came up with in the age of boss farming, I obtained about 35% melee defense which makes a huge difference in survivability and Healing Flames still recharges in 12-13 seconds with Hasten.
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In-Flames: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Spines
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Lunge -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(15), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(40), T'Death-Dam%:40(43)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-EndRdx:40(13), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(13), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(15)
Level 2: Spine Burst -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(5), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(5), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Oblit-%Dam:50(43)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Rchg:50(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(7), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(7), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(19), Dct'dW-Heal:50(19)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 8: Boxing -- Mako-Dam%:50(A)
Level 10: Impale -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx:50(11), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:50(11), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(34), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(36), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(50)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-ResKB:50(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam:40(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(17), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(17)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(37)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(21), P'Shift-End%:50(37)
Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(23), RechRdx-I:50(23)
Level 24: Consume -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(25), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(25), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43), Oblit-%Dam:50(46)
Level 26: Ripper -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(29), Oblit-%Dam:50(40)
Level 28: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(31)
Level 30: Quills -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg:50(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(31), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg:50(31), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(34), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(37), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40)
Level 32: Throw Spines -- Ragnrk-Dmg:50(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(34)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(36)
Level 38: Blazing Aura -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg:50(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(39), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg:50(39), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(39), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(46), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46)
Level 41: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-EndRdx:40(42), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(42), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(42)
Level 44: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(45), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg:50(45), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(45)
Level 47: Burn -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(50), Oblit-%Dam:50(50)
Level 49: Rise of the Phoenix -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 0: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 14.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 16.8% Defense(Smashing)
- 16.8% Defense(Lethal)
- 4.88% Defense(Fire)
- 4.88% Defense(Cold)
- 9.25% Defense(Energy)
- 9.25% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 26.8% Defense(Melee)
- 8% Defense(Ranged)
- 6.75% Defense(AoE)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 50% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 67% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 9% FlySpeed
- 60.2 HP (4.5%) HitPoints
- 9% JumpHeight
- 9% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -4)
- Knockup (Mag -4)
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 4.95%
- MezResist(Sleep) 3.3%
- MezResist(Stun) 12.1%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
- 11% (0.18 End/sec) Recovery
- 10% (0.56 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 5.67% Resistance(Fire)
- 5.67% Resistance(Cold)
- 9% RunSpeed
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Defense/Resistance.... whatever. I just meant in the general term. Scrappers secondary's is what i meant, whether it's def or res. Sorry i wasn't clear enough that some couldn't understand. IMO, /fire is still weak to most attacks other than fire. If you "need" a heal every 12 seconds... /Regen isn't even that bad.|
Originally Posted by Elegost
easily softcap? You honestly can't know what you're talking about. FA has no defense, and resistance doesn't softcap. You're capped, or you're not (most often, not).
just because a set is defensive, doesn't mean it gives defense. These terms are completely different. Defense is not taking damage, resistance is lowering damage taken. Defensive sets can do either or both (among other things). |
And i thought 75% was the "soft cap" in resist?? So, if that's the case, you can hit 75% fire resist from fire aura.
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As I said, "soft" doesn't mean anything in resistance land. "Hard"-cap for defense is 225(ish?), but effectively "cap" (soft) is 45. There's no general need to be higher, that's why it's called softcap (It's a practical cap). With resistance, there is only the cap, and everything under it. So flagging it as "soft" is a misleading representation of the term. |
Originally Posted by eryq2
And i thought 75% was the "soft cap" in resist?? So, if that's the case, you can hit 75% fire resist from fire aura.
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You are indeed correct about fire resistance, but your terminology is a bit wonky :P
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
Me thinks eryg2 spouts terminology off without completely understanding their meanings >.>
-Defense as opposed to secondary
-Soft cap as opposed to cap
On the topic at hand. Fire Armor is a decent set. For farming, it is better than /DA. (imo) It grants you an endurance recovery power, a heal, good resistance numbers, a second build up, slow protection, and a damage aura. DA offers a friggin awesome heal, decent resistance numbers, small defense, control auras, and a damage aura. FA isn't better by much, but the endurance recovery power is incredibly helpful. Also, FA can easily farm the Demon Map (All Fire Damage! 
) DA oddly enough cannot cap any resistance numbers.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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Well, people say softcap everyday and are trying to hit it. My point is still the same. IMO<<< /fire is weak. You don't have to agree, i dont care if you do or not. It's MY opinion. And as for /dark not hitting any caps, the build below is showing a smash/lethal at 75% resist. Odd, and i still gotta remove ripper and replace with something else. |
Originally Posted by _Pine_
Me thinks eryg2 spouts terminology off without completely understanding their meanings >.>
-Defense as opposed to secondary -Soft cap as opposed to cap On the topic at hand. Fire Armor is a decent set. For farming, it is better than /DA. (imo) It grants you an endurance recovery power, a heal, good resistance numbers, a second build up, slow protection, and a damage aura. DA offers a friggin awesome heal, decent resistance numbers, small defense, control auras, and a damage aura. FA isn't better by much, but the endurance recovery power is incredibly helpful. Also, FA can easily farm the Demon Map (All Fire Damage! ) DA oddly enough cannot cap any resistance numbers. |
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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Spines
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Lunge -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(5), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), ImpArm-EndRdx/Rchg(7), S'fstPrt-ResKB(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(9)
Level 2: Spine Burst -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Oblit-%Dam(11), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15)
Level 4: Murky Cloud -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 8: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Obsidian Shield -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Impale -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(15), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx(17), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng(17), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(19), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob(19)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(50)
Level 16: Dark Regeneration -- Theft-+End%(A), Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Mrcl-Heal(21), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(23), Mrcl-EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(25)
Level 18: Quills -- Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Armgdn-Dam%(25), Armgdn-Dmg(27), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(27), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(29)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(39), P'Shift-EndMod(40), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(40)
Level 22: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(31), RctvArm-ResDam(31), RctvArm-EndRdx(31), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(33), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 24: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 26: Ripper -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Cloak of Fear -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb(A), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(40), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43), SipInsght-%ToHit(45), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(45), SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 30: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit(50)
Level 32: Throw Spines -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(34), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(36), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Ragnrk-Knock%(36)
Level 35: Oppressive Gloom -- RzDz-Acc/Rchg(A), RzDz-EndRdx/Stun(37), RzDz-Acc/EndRdx(37), RzDz-Stun/Rng(37), RzDz-Acc/Stun/Rchg(39), RzDz-Immob%(39)
Level 38: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(46), SW-Def(46), SW-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 41: Death Shroud -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Oblit-%Dam(42), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(42), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(48), P'Shift-End%(48), P'Shift-EndMod(48)
Level 49: Soul Transfer -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 6: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 6% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 6% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 6% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 6% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 6% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 6% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 6% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 6% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 20.8% Defense(Smashing)
- 20.8% Defense(Lethal)
- 6.13% Defense(Fire)
- 6.13% Defense(Cold)
- 4.25% Defense(Energy)
- 4.25% Defense(Negative)
- 4.88% Defense(Psionic)
- 21.8% Defense(Melee)
- 3.63% Defense(Ranged)
- 9.25% Defense(AoE)
- 2.25% Max End
- 57% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 5% Enhancement(Heal)
- 41.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 2% Enhancement(Stun)
- 3% Enhancement(Immobilize)
- 19% FlySpeed
- 90.4 HP (6.75%) HitPoints
- 19% JumpHeight
- 19% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -4)
- Knockup (Mag -4)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 3.85%
- MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
- 24% (0.4 End/sec) Recovery
- 42% (2.35 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 5.04% Resistance(Fire)
- 5.04% Resistance(Cold)
- 1.88% Resistance(Negative)
- 10% Resistance(Toxic)
- 19% RunSpeed
- 2% XPDebtProtection
Set Bonuses:
Kinetic Combat
(Lunge)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
- 20.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 3.75% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Melee)
(Dark Embrace)
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
- 1.88% Defense(Psionic)
- 2.25% Max End
(Dark Embrace)
- 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
- Knockback Protection (Mag -4)
- 3% Defense(All)
(Spine Burst)
- MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
- 3% DamageBuff(All)
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)
(Impale)
- 3% Enhancement(Immobilize)
- 1.88% Resistance(Negative)
- 2.5% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Melee)
- 3.75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 3.13% Defense(Melee), 1.56% Defense(Lethal), 1.56% Defense(Smashing)
(Health)
- 12% (0.67 HP/sec) Regeneration
(Dark Regeneration)
- 10% (0.56 HP/sec) Regeneration
(Dark Regeneration)
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
- 25.1 HP (1.87%) HitPoints
- 5% Enhancement(Heal)
(Quills)
- 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 5% Resistance(Toxic)
(Stamina)
- 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
- 25.1 HP (1.87%) HitPoints
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
(Tough)
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
(Tough)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
- 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)
- 1.25% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.63% Defense(Melee)
(Cloak of Fear)
- 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight, 4% FlySpeed, 4% RunSpeed
- 2% XPDebtProtection
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 3.75% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Melee)
- 3.75% Defense(AoE), 1.88% Defense(Fire), 1.88% Defense(Cold)
(Build Up)
- 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
(Throw Spines)
- 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 5% Resistance(Toxic)
(Oppressive Gloom)
- 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
- 20.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2% Enhancement(Stun)
- 2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
- 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)
(Cloak of Darkness)
- 10% (0.56 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Cloak of Darkness)
- 10% (0.56 HP/sec) Regeneration, 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery (in PvP)
(Death Shroud)
- MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
- 3% DamageBuff(All)
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)
(Physical Perfection)
- 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
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You've got Eye of the Magus Accolade toggled on. That's what is getting you up to 75% resists.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
And as for /dark not hitting any caps, the build below is showing a smash/lethal at 75% resist.
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Yep. Eye of the Magus won't be up perminently, and has a long recharge. Turn it off, and everything in terms of resistance drops.
Contact me in-game: @CheeseSlicer
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Defense/Resistance.... whatever.
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6 slotted Armageddon in quillz *BARF*
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
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LOL, good eye. Darn it, you guys don't miss a thing. |
Originally Posted by Streetcleaner
You've got Eye of the Magus Accolade toggled on. That's what is getting you up to 75% resists.
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As my girlfriend would say, epic fail!
Contact me in-game: @CheeseSlicer
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She must be a keeper if she flows with the gamer lingo |
Originally Posted by SpikyShane
As my girlfriend would say, epic fail!
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
A single small purple inspiration instantly softcaps a toon that is sitting at 35% smashing lethal. They are pretty hard to find on farming maps.
Here you go. Say thanks to Smurphy.
/macro P1 inspcombine enrage luck$$inspcombine insight luck$$inspcombine awaken luck$$inspcombine respite luck$$inspcombine catch_a_breath luck
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...86&postcount=1
I'd love some improvement suggestions on my spines/fire build. The toon is currently lvl 42.
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Hot Hornet: Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Spines
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Lunge -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(7), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(9), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: Spine Burst -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(11), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(11), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Oblit-%Dam(15)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal(15), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Dct'dW-Rchg(17), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(19), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(40)
Level 6: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Impale -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(21), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23)
Level 10: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Krma-ResKB(42)
Level 14: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(27), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(29), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 18: Quills -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(31), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(31), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(33), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(34), P'Shift-End%(34)
Level 22: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(25), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(27), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(33), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(37), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(37)
Level 24: Blazing Aura -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), Erad-%Dam(40)
Level 26: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36), RechRdx-I(37)
Level 28: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(39), S'fstPrt-ResKB(40)
Level 32: Throw Spines -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rng(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), Posi-Dam%(43)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39), LkGmblr-Def(43)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(45), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(46), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(46)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(46), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), EndRdx-I(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(50), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50), Posi-Dam%(50)
Level 49: Rise of the Phoenix -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run