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Invention Origin Enhancements

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By Ad Astra,
Posted on: 2010-05-01 20:35 in Player Questions

 

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Hi guys and gals,

I am a returning player who has been away for a loooooong time (was last here back before I7). Anyway, I'm liking pretty much all the changes, but I'm having trouble finding information on some of it. What I am most interested in at the moment is Invention origin Enhancements.

First off some things I have figured out (though feel free to correct these if any of them are wrong).

  1. Invention origin enhancements don't "wear out" and continue to enhance powers even after you would normally out level regular enhancements.
  2. One IO can enhance more than one stat (e.g - Damage and Accuracy)
  3. Sets of IOs can create even more effects than the sum of their individual components.
Okay now for the questions, and there are a lot more of them than things I've already figured out.
  1. Okay, so you need to get salvage drops as well as recipe drops to create IOs. Do the recipes get used up when you create a IO or do you just need to find new salvage and not the recipe again?
  2. Is there a list somewhere of what the IO sets are and the effects they create?
  3. How do IO enhancement bonuses stack up against TO, DO and SO enhancements?
  4. IO don't wear out through levelling, does that mean that higher levelled ones simply give larger enhancement bonuses?
  5. Can you ++ IO enhancements? (So can you combine 3 level 15 enhancements to create a level 17?)
Hrm, I was sure I had more questions than that, but obviously not. Any help you can give me would be great guys.

 

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Okay now for the questions, and there are a lot more of them than things I've already figured out.
  1. Okay, so you need to get salvage drops as well as recipe drops to create IOs. Do the recipes get used up when you create a IO or do you just need to find new salvage and not the recipe again?
  1. Yes and no. If you use a common IO recipe often enough (for example a level 15 Accuracy IO), you will memorize it and then no longer need to buy it (you still have to buy salvage and pay creation costs, however). The number of time you need to buy and make a particular recipe varies by type and level (somewhat). The Set IO recipes are always expended when created and cannot be memorized.
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  2. Is there a list somewhere of what the IO sets are and the effects they create?
  3. How do IO enhancement bonuses stack up against TO, DO and SO enhancements?
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  4. IO don't wear out through levelling, does that mean that higher levelled ones simply give larger enhancement bonuses?
    5. Percentages are fixed by the level of the enhancement and never change.
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  5. Can you ++ IO enhancements? (So can you combine 3 level 15 enhancements to create a level 17?)
    6. Nope. IOs never combine under any circumstances.

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Any help you can give me would be great guys.
Seriously, I advise you to check the Wiki. It is very well maintained, up to the latest Issue 17 release. There are also pages which list the changes that came with each release, a good way to catch up fast.

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Okay, so you need to get salvage drops as well as recipe drops to create IOs. Do the recipes get used up when you create a IO or do you just need to find new salvage and not the recipe again?
For set recipes, the recipe is used up and gone. You'll have to get a new recipe to make a new IO. For common IO, you can eventually memorize the recipe and be able to make them at a reduced cost, though you'll still need the same amount of salvage.

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Is there a list somewhere of what the IO sets are and the effects they create?
Wiki page. There are a lot of sets.

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[*]How do IO enhancement bonuses stack up against TO, DO and SO enhancements?
Wiki page, with charts, graphs, tables and lots of nasty numbers

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IO don't wear out through levelling, does that mean that higher levelled ones simply give larger enhancement bonuses?
Yes, see the previous like for table of the numbers (I think). Take note that common IOs only drop in increments of 5.

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Can you ++ IO enhancements? (So can you combine 3 level 15 enhancements to create a level 17?)
Nope, you can't combine them.

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Originally Posted by Mr Mister View Post
Okay now for the questions, and there are a lot more of them than things I've already figured out.
  1. Okay, so you need to get salvage drops as well as recipe drops to create IOs. Do the recipes get used up when you create a IO or do you just need to find new salvage and not the recipe again?
  2. Is there a list somewhere of what the IO sets are and the effects they create?
  3. How do IO enhancement bonuses stack up against TO, DO and SO enhancements?
  4. IO don't wear out through levelling, does that mean that higher levelled ones simply give larger enhancement bonuses?
  5. Can you ++ IO enhancements? (So can you combine 3 level 15 enhancements to create a level 17?)
  1. Yes, the recipe and salvage is used up during the creation of the IO. The exception to this rule is Common IOs assuming you've made enough of them in a specific level range to have memorized them. Then you don't need the recipe and the crafting cost is halved (and you get a badge). Memorize enough Common IOs through multiple level ranges and you get a Field Crafting Table you can call up. The details about number needed for a particular type and level of IO can be found here.
  2. Yes, this is the main page from ParagonWiki on IO Enhancements. There are links there that can take you more specific information.
  3. There's an app, I mean table for that. While Common IOs come in steps of 5 levels (10, 15, 20, etc) Set IOs can be of any (well almost any) level their values can be found here.
  4. Exactly. A level 10 Common Accuracy IO will always be 11.7% while a 30 will always be a 34.8%.
  5. Nope.
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Side note:

In the old days, selling off enhancement drops you didn't need was where you got a major portion of you Inf. With IOs, regular enhancement drop rates were changed, for example, you don't get high level TO drops anymore. Selling Common/Generic IO recipes is where the money is at nowadays (well, outside of rewards from defeats and mission completes, etc). Unlike DOs and SOs where you'd get paid less if you sell them to the wrong Origin store, you can sell recipes to any store for the same price.

Note: at the store's window, recipes are listed on the left side, UNDER the list of the Inspiratiosn you're carrying.

Stores pay more for Common/Generic IO recipes. Set IO recipes are worth quite a bit less at the store. However, with Set IO recipes, you should check the Wentworths/Black Market to see what they're going for there. Some Set IO pieces are quite desirable and players will pay a lot for them.

Note: check how much the Set IO piece goes for if crafted compared to it still in recipe form. Many times, the crafted IO will sell for way more than the recipe. Note however, that this may be partially due to the recipe requiring an expensive rare Salvage piece. Make sure to take this into account.

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Thanks for the quick replies guys. I did find one wiki but it wasn't really a whole heap of use, obviously I missed the best one. I guess I've got a couple hours of pouring over wiki ahead of me.

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You have three web address to get to a CoH wiki.

wiki.cohtitan.com
www.paragonwiki.com

and then
cityofheroes.wikia.com (I think - it's a wikia wiki at any rate).

The first two listed are the same actual website. The 3rd is a often virus infested, ad infested, not kept up one. Don't use it.

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Oh one more question that I meant to include in the first post. Are IOs subject to the same diminishing returns as other Enhancements, so its not worth slotting more than 3 of one type in a power?

 

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From my very old guide:

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Almost all of you know almost all of this but I wanted to go over it anyway. If you miss one of these things, you could burn a million influence on something that doesn't work in your build.
* Enhancement Diversification means anything over 90% is pretty much wasted. That's three SO's or [after level 25] three IO's.
* You cannot slot the EXACT same enhancement ["Mako's Bite Accuracy/Damage"] twice in the same power. You can slot two Mako's Bite- one acc/damage, one damage/endurance- in the same power. You can slot two acc/damage if they are from different sets( Mako's Bite and Crushing Blow) in the same power. You can slot two Mako's Bite acc/damage in two different powers.
* Pay attention to what an enhancement tells you it goes into. When you hover over the picture of the enhancement, you will see something like "Ranged Damage".
* You want at least one SO of accuracy in each attack power; for most powers I like 1.5 .
* If you slot two or more of the same set ["Mako's Bite Acc/Damage" and "Mako's Bite Acc/Damage/Endurance/Recharge"] in the same power, you get a little bonus for each thing you slot . Five slots? You get a bonus for 2, different bonus for the 3rd, different bonus for the 4th and different bonus for the 5th. You get all four of those bonuses.
* You can add the same "little bonus" up to five times. No more than five, even if they're from different sets. 3% Resistance and 3.11% Resistance are different little bonuses!
* "Recovery" means Endurance Recovery, like Stamina gives; "Regeneration" means HP Regeneration, like Health gives.
* IMPORTANT : price out the salvage before you buy the "set IO". If something says it needs "Pangaean Soil", at the moment you have to be a 3-millionaire to get it.
Later in that guide I say that you can, very roughly, treat a multipart IO like each part is "half an SO" if you don't want to do fine-grained math. (so an acc/dam is "half an SO of acc, half an SO of dam.")

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Oh one more question that I meant to include in the first post. Are IOs subject to the same diminishing returns as other Enhancements, so its not worth slotting more than 3 of one type in a power?
In the higher levels, it's more like not worth slotting more than two Common IOs - ED is based purely off percentage, and the level 50 IOs have some hefty percentages.

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