Spark Blade, Rose Starr, and a W.I.S.D.O.M Arc?
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Posted on: 2010-05-01 14:59 in Suggestions and Ideas
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The main question on Spark Blade is how doable he would be in game - yeah, they can "tweak" NPCs and give them stuff players can't have. Just wondering on the work involved.
Still, yeah, the characters themselves have been seemingly forgotten. Wouldn't argue with seeing more.
Spark Blade would totally cause a frenzy of envy and begging if they gave him a unique sword and pistol combination power set
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"Rose Star", not "Rose Starr"
What the hell is a "semi-petition"? And "petition time" implies this is, in fact a petition, which is against the rules.
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It a fun way to look like petition for ''Rose Star'' and ''Spark Blade'' toons to be added as signature hero in the game.
Is this better for you, mr. annoying person with rude attitude? ^^?
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Petitions are not allowed on the forums.
If you've got a good idea, then flesh it out and try to get more interest.
^^; Actually rules not state anything against petition for fun or for idea that can be presented to staff or moderators, or admins.
:3 Re-read such and then you find the truth of such a matter. It okay though, I understanding what you mean and I sorry if you feel this was a bit too rude in making. I not come on forums very often because many not tolerant of those who not of English as first language.
I not minding the rudeness and usual arrogance of Forum users. ^_^; I think it almost cute! Your meaning was caught though, and I sorry for speaking opinion in free country on a pay-for-voice board. :<! Triple whamy of Law! ;D Anyway!
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Just beacuse I don't like ninja editors I'd like to point out your post originally said "I not minding the rudeness and usual arrogance of Americans."
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Originally Posted by MishiiLove
^^; Actually rules not state anything against petition for fun or for idea that can be presented to staff or moderators, or admins.
:3 Re-read such and then you find the truth of such a matter. It okay though, I understanding what you mean and I sorry if you feel this was a bit too rude in making. I not come on forums very often because many not tolerant of those who not of English as first language. I not minding the rudeness and usual arrogance of Forum users. ^_^; I think it almost cute! Your meaning was caught though, and I sorry for speaking opinion in free country on a pay-for-voice board. :<! Triple whamy of Law! ;D Anyway! You knowing I love you Admin, and Moderator. xD I sorry Matt and Floyd! I promise to not create problem anymore with new people of board or those who not knowing me. I promise to behave. Oka, love you all! Bye! <3 |
It is better to ask forgiveness than permission.
Actually, you do encounter Spark Blade and Rose Star in the Faultline Mayhem Missions as the protecting Heroes.
Just like you can fight Blue Steel in the Galaxy City Mayhem.
P.S. As you can imagine, these Mayhems are hardly ever done because they're so freaking tough that no one has beaten them.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Actually, you do encounter Spark Blade and Rose Star in the Faultline Mayhem Missions as the protecting Heroes.
Just like you can fight Blue Steel in the Galaxy City Mayhem. P.S. As you can imagine, these Mayhems are hardly ever done because they're so freaking tough that no one has beaten them. |
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
I always thought W.I.S.D.O.M. was a really err... unwise idea for a set of characters to introduce. If I understand correctly, the four characters were brought out when they opened some servers in Korea, and were meant to appeal to a Korean audience who were less familiar with the superhero genre. In true self-centered Mary Sue fashion, they went completely overboard with adding "impossible" signature powers (like the sword+pistol+lightning or Mirror Spirit being able to melt into liquid metal) as opposed to the Freedom Phalanx who all have somewhat clear archetypes and power combinations that can be recreated in-game, so as to make our own heroes feel closer to them. I would have been disappointed if Statesman and friends were all clearly more "special" than any character that I can make, and I'm really not surprised that CoH flopped in Korea with WISDOM as their main anchormen for the game's commercials.
Still, I'm always for more content, even if I kind of wish the characters could be retconned into being less Mary Sue-like and closer in power to the rest of us. Make the sword and pistol guy lose the pistol and just go katana/elec armor and we're talking.
Edit: To add to that, according to the wiki Mirror Spirit is "destined to one day become the most powerful mystical force ever known" and just take a look at the ammount of detail on Foreshadow's and particularly Rose Star's costume. Tights with a bare shoulder and a special rose tattoo? I'll only want to see her in the game when Jay gives us the same options for our characters.
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Plenty of NPCs have costume parts we don't get. Ghost Widow has flowing hair, Black Scorpion has a tail, Imperious has his foldy cape...thing. And NPC Kheldians get sashes.
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Originally Posted by MonkeySpirit
Edit: To add to that, according to the wiki Mirror Spirit is "destined to one day become the most powerful mystical force ever known" and just take a look at the ammount of detail on Foreshadow's and particularly Rose Star's costume. Tights with a bare shoulder and a special rose tattoo? I'll only want to see her in the game when Jay gives us the same options for our characters.
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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Originally Posted by MonkeySpirit
I always thought W.I.S.D.O.M. was a really err... unwise idea for a set of characters to introduce. If I understand correctly, the four characters were brought out when they opened some servers in Korea, and were meant to appeal to a Korean audience who were less familiar with the superhero genre. In true self-centered Mary Sue fashion, they went completely overboard with adding "impossible" signature powers (like the sword+pistol+lightning or Mirror Spirit being able to melt into liquid metal) as opposed to the Freedom Phalanx who all have somewhat clear archetypes and power combinations that can be recreated in-game, so as to make our own heroes feel closer to them. I would have been disappointed if Statesman and friends were all clearly more "special" than any character that I can make, and I'm really not surprised that CoH flopped in Korea with WISDOM as their main anchormen for the game's commercials.
Still, I'm always for more content, even if I kind of wish the characters could be retconned into being less Mary Sue-like and closer in power to the rest of us. Make the sword and pistol guy lose the pistol and just go katana/elec armor and we're talking. Edit: To add to that, according to the wiki Mirror Spirit is "destined to one day become the most powerful mystical force ever known" and just take a look at the ammount of detail on Foreshadow's and particularly Rose Star's costume. Tights with a bare shoulder and a special rose tattoo? I'll only want to see her in the game when Jay gives us the same options for our characters. |
Ummm... all the signature heroes have their own super moves, Statesman has his massive thunder punch that strikes down with a rain of lightning bolts for example.
Likewise most of the signature characters have costume pieces that aren't available to us.
Mirror Spirit may one day be the most powerful mystic in the world, but up until Faultline got revamped, Sister Psyche was the most powerful psychic in the world.
Also how can they be Mary Sue's when they are created by the company that owns the property?
It'd be like calling Luke Skywalker a Mary Sue.
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To add to this: Foreshadow's powers are not unique beyond having a couple of energy blast attacks, and its likely Rose Star does not either.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Ummm... all the signature heroes have their own super moves, Statesman has his massive thunder punch that strikes down with a rain of lightning bolts for example.
Likewise most of the signature characters have costume pieces that aren't available to us. Mirror Spirit may one day be the most powerful mystic in the world, but up until Faultline got revamped, Sister Psyche was the most powerful psychic in the world. Also how can they be Mary Sue's when they are created by the company that owns the property? It'd be like calling Luke Skywalker a Mary Sue. |
Spark Blade is the only one who's over-the-top in this respect (I mean the dude got trench coats well before we did) as creating him would require new animation work that might as well go to a new powerset (like the requested "Swash Buckling Assault") or dumb down his powers to be unrecognizable to what the trailer showed (constant redraw between katana and pistol or no pistol at all and basically turn him into a reskinned Scirocco...).
On the more serious note of discussion though, I would like to see Spark Blade as at least a trainer, if not as a contact (In an old idea for small series of Japanese zones, he would have been the heroside's TF contact), and Rose Star to appear as well, at least show what the hell her powers are in the first place, and possibly expand WISDOM a little to include Flower Knight from the tutorial whom we only see twice in the game.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Conversely you might want to actually read the forum rules for the first time and realize that petitioning is expressly forbidden, as given here.|
Originally Posted by MishiiLove
:3 Re-read such and then you find the truth of such a matter. It okay though, I understanding what you mean and I sorry if you feel this was a bit too rude in making. I not come on forums very often because many not tolerant of those who not of English as first language.
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Hmm, on second thought, I think I'm going to take that back about the uniqueness. While we can more or less imitate the Freedom Phalanx, this is clearly not the case for the signature villains, so yes, you're right.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Ummm... all the signature heroes have their own super moves, Statesman has his massive thunder punch that strikes down with a rain of lightning bolts for example.
Likewise most of the signature characters have costume pieces that aren't available to us. Mirror Spirit may one day be the most powerful mystic in the world, but up until Faultline got revamped, Sister Psyche was the most powerful psychic in the world. Also how can they be Mary Sue's when they are created by the company that owns the property? It'd be like calling Luke Skywalker a Mary Sue. |
However, bringing out a bunch of new characters, declaring them to be super-awesome and especially doing so by having them save the lead of a series is the classic way to introduce a Mary Sue. To me, they felt really tacked on and quite alien to the game, probably because of the over-the-top special powers. I mean, they gave Foreshadow pleeenty of screentime on the City of Villains trailer.
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It's also the way they introduce pretty much every new hero ever in DC or Marvel comics. Heck in any super hero comics ever.
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Originally Posted by MonkeySpirit
Hmm, on second thought, I think I'm going to take that back about the uniqueness. While we can more or less imitate the Freedom Phalanx, this is clearly not the case for the signature villains, so yes, you're right.
However, bringing out a bunch of new characters, declaring them to be super-awesome and especially doing so by having them save the lead of a series is the classic way to introduce a Mary Sue. To me, they felt really tacked on and quite alien to the game, probably because of the over-the-top special powers. I mean, they gave Foreshadow pleeenty of screentime on the City of Villains trailer. |
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I wouldn't quite count that since the City of Villains trailer was more about showing how badass Arachnos was. I mean, Foreshadow took down a few mooks and then proceeded to get pwned by Ghost Widow.|
Originally Posted by MonkeySpirit
I mean, they gave Foreshadow pleeenty of screentime on the City of Villains trailer.
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I mean let's comepare the CoV trailer which introduced the Arachnos generals to the Asian Launch Trailer:
Asian Launch Trailer:
-Statesman Falls into a hold trap, apparently just held but otherwise okay.
-Foreshadow and Spark Blade beat up a bunch of mooks, Rose Star helps with the effectiveness of a girl in Naruto or Bleach. (This is for the Asian market I guess...)
-Mirror Spirit decides that despite the *** kicking her boyfriend and Gackt are laying down, they both suck too much and they need Statesman's help and get Rose Star to help power her PBAoE Mez protection. (God forbid she just stacks the Single Target mez protection like a normal person)
-Gackt and Kung Fu Action Hawtness flip out and try to beat eachother up
-Who stops them and makes everything right? Statesman.
City of Villains Launch:
-New Villains are introduced with their own unique powers and combinations.
-The heroes are laying sieg to the unique villain lair.
-They can all apparently see through Synapse's SS stealth and hit him enough to take him down.
-Black Scorpion actually PICKS UP A RAGDOLL AND THROWS IT. (Can you pick up your opponents' ragdolls in game and throw them?)
-Villains proceed to kick hero @#$ with Ghost Widow doing phase thing and using Soul Storm as an AoE attack despite it being Single Target.
-Scirocco gets punched int the face before Statesman's stacked rage crashes with Unstoppable.
Ladies and gentlemen, if we are to throw around the title of Sues than clearly the Villain launch trailer gives us examples of Villainous Sues.
Seriously, Ghost Widow has DARK MIASMA as her CONTROL set and has DARK BLAST (Not assault, BLAST) for her Dominator Power Set.
Can someone tell me what's wrong with this?
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
I wouldn't quite count that since the City of Villains trailer was more about showing how badass Arachnos was. I mean, Foreshadow took down a few mooks and then proceeded to get pwned by Ghost Widow.
I mean let's comepare the CoV trailer which introduced the Arachnos generals to the Asian Launch Trailer: Asian Launch Trailer: -Statesman Falls into a hold trap, apparently just held but otherwise okay. -Foreshadow and Spark Blade beat up a bunch of mooks, Rose Star helps with the effectiveness of a girl in Naruto or Bleach. (This is for the Asian market I guess...) -Mirror Spirit decides that despite the *** kicking her boyfriend and Gackt are laying down, they both suck too much and they need Statesman's help and get Rose Star to help power her PBAoE Mez protection. (God forbid she just stacks the Single Target mez protection like a normal person) -Gackt and Kung Fu Action Hawtness flip out and try to beat eachother up -Who stops them and makes everything right? Statesman. City of Villains Launch: -New Villains are introduced with their own unique powers and combinations. -The heroes are laying sieg to the unique villain lair. -They can all apparently see through Synapse's SS stealth and hit him enough to take him down. -Black Scorpion actually PICKS UP A RAGDOLL AND THROWS IT. (Can you pick up your opponents' ragdolls in game and throw them?) -Villains proceed to kick hero @#$ with Ghost Widow doing phase thing and using Soul Storm as an AoE attack despite it being Single Target. -Scirocco gets punched int the face before Statesman's stacked rage crashes with Unstoppable. Ladies and gentlemen, if we are to throw around the title of Sues than clearly the Villain launch trailer gives us examples of Villainous Sues. Seriously, Ghost Widow has DARK MIASMA as her CONTROL set and has DARK BLAST (Not assault, BLAST) for her Dominator Power Set. Can someone tell me what's wrong with this? |
Awesome post.Let's look at Foreshadow, though:
- Shot of him running on his own to the entrance, joined by teleporting Manticore and SS'ing Synapse.
- He hangs around visible in the background while Manticore gives an order. He seems to think Blasters make adequate forerunners.
- Group shot of their backs, with Foreshadow central and foremost.
- Close up of the group, the camera lingers on Foreshadow's face while Statesman nods to him specifically.
- The group decides it's a good idea to leave one of their Defenders behind, probably because he doesn't have a heal, unlike rad/.
- Shot of Foreshadow running again, brief second of Positron blasting, then back to Foreshadow scrapping, which ends with a close up of Foreshadow's face looking determined while he sweeps his beautiful hair from his forehead.
- Foreshadow arrives last to Recluse's chamber, is seeing moving while the other three heroes stand still.
- Villains arrive and all hell breaks lose, while the attention finally shifts from Foreshadow, who proves pretty ineffective at dodging a corpse despite his Super Reflexes secondary.
The nod from Statesman and the hair-swishing close up seal the deal for me: they tried too hard to include him.
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Well, you've certainly proved you are rude, can't read the rules/don't care about them, and have passive aggressive issues. There's a lot of 'new' people here now because of the forum merge who have no idea who you are. However, you say you haven't been posting for a while, so I'd have to say that who you where means nothing. I never liked that Forum Cartel title I managed to get, and being away for a while means that that title means even less than it did. Presumptions of entitlement based on past glories just make you look arrogant.|
Originally Posted by MishiiLove
^^; Actually rules not state anything against petition for fun or for idea that can be presented to staff or moderators, or admins.
:3 Re-read such and then you find the truth of such a matter. It okay though, I understanding what you mean and I sorry if you feel this was a bit too rude in making. I not come on forums very often because many not tolerant of those who not of English as first language. I not minding the rudeness and usual arrogance of Forum users. ^_^; I think it almost cute! Your meaning was caught though, and I sorry for speaking opinion in free country on a pay-for-voice board. :<! Triple whamy of Law! ;D Anyway! You knowing I love you Admin, and Moderator. xD I sorry Matt and Floyd! I promise to not create problem anymore with new people of board or those who not knowing me. I promise to behave. Oka, love you all! Bye! <3 |
Anyway, I'd like to see those characters dropped in as trainers, and hey, perhaps we'll see their Praetorian counterparts popping up in GR's new zones (kind of doubt it, what with the coolness that is the revamped Praetorian Guard).
If they were added to the game as active characters, they would need to be heavily toned down, as, in reality, the Vanguard top level crew were before they made it into game. (In the comics, one of them just casually fixes Positron's armour, just like that... hand wave.) The amount of special animation required to implement them as seen in the video would just be, quite frankly, a waste of resources.
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Id personally love to see the charecters in game, even if people do whine about wanting a gun/sword combo.
People have been whining for that for ages anyway, even when dual pistols came out some people kicked off because scrappers couldnt get them which made no sense in first place but people did 
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Originally Posted by MonkeySpirit
The nod from Statesman and the hair-swishing close up seal the deal for me: they tried too hard to include him. |
In cannon though Statesman and Foreshadow, have been best pals and worst enemies several times in the past. Plus who else could they do an attractive swishy haired close up of? All the heroes were wearing masks and helmets.
As for Spark Blade and Rose being in the game.
Rose as far as I know is just a super strength tanker type, Spark Blade however would require a new power set, which as long as the players got it too would suit me fine.
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Have they? Can you tell me which story arc I have to do? I'd like to see that. Or is it from the comics?
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
In cannon though Statesman and Foreshadow, have been best pals and worst enemies several times in the past. Plus who else could they do an attractive swishy haired close up of? All the heroes were wearing masks and helmets.
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Hallo everyone!
make me a contact for ingame! Just kidding!
I know I have not making thread in so long! ^.~ And yes I am back for little while, after helping pass out gold title while celebrating with devs - I almost forget altogether main reason other than to seeing all of you again, why I also return.
As speaker for asian community I have to stress again for War Witch! to step up the game and I wanting start semi-petition for added in story arc or in AE for Spark Blade, and Rose Starr sprites!! Yes we already having Foreshadow, and Mirror Spirit but I not only one who thinking Spark Blade is a hottie with the coolest lightning sword ever! Duh!
So going ahead everyone and signing your name, help this thread climb to give awareness to the Dev community! Lets get them all to comment here, lets get them to notice! Sometime after Going Rogue (obviously) we need closure! I wanting know exactly how to tie in Spark Blade, and Rose Starr. What I really wanting to do is in AE re-create the mission with those four and Statesman like in the video launch for CITY OF HERO-Korea.
I propose atleast a story arc, even if it is super small, just something to show off Spark Blades super cool powers! Lets see them in action! I think it been far too long coming, so let you as the community decide!
W.I.S.D.O.M Story Arc
All W.I.S.D.O.M in AE
Add Spark Blade + Rose Starr in Game
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Spark Blade costume pieces, or lightning sword, or lightning gun (duel wield; Pistol + Sword ) would someday be so awesome! Just thinking of making toon into Pirate Kunoichi give me shivers!!!
But that is it!
You all decide okay?
Petition Time!
Love you all,
Mishii!
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