The proc checks with every attack of the critter it is slotted in AND it checks on you every time you summon the pet. However, it only buffs the one pet, not all of them when it goes off. It is also short duration, typically only buffing one attack.
Three Tier-1s make more attacks per second than two Tier-2s. You also resummon the Tier-1s more often for the buff on yourself (if that even matters to you, it probably doesn't).
However again, a % increase on the Tier-2's larger base damage may mean a higher damage increase over time.
All this is a bit beyond my ability to work out statistically.
How fast to the tier-2 demons attack compared to the tier-1s and how much harder do they hit? It should be pretty close either way. You pretty much do not want it in the tier-3.
Keep in mind that often adding more damage will work better than the proc. But if you're at the ED cap anyhow, it is a great way to slip some more in.
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So is the reason for not using in the tier 3 just slow attacks per second?
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I'm told that Soulbound doesn't proc in anything but the top pet, in this case demon prince.|
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So, I'm holding off on making my DS until GR hits so I can start praetorian and go hero, and what drops today but a Soulbound Proc on my hero farmer.
So, would that be better in the tier 2 or the tier 3? Does it even matter for the proc going off if you have more than 1 pet attacking? |
explanation - it's a lvl 50 IO, and you summon demon prince at your lvl, demons at your lvl-1, demonlings at your lvl-2.
Haven't personally tried it in anything but the top notch pet.
It also has a chance to proc off of every target hit, so things like the Assbot with large, frequent AoEs benefit amazingly from this proc.
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This. You want the proc (and the rest of the soulbound set) in your Tier 3 pet.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
It also has a chance to proc off of every target hit, so things like the Assbot with large, frequent AoEs benefit amazingly from this proc.
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Meh, not the whole set. Set bonuses (that aren't defense) are overrated for MMs. Just frankenslot the values you care about, and leave room for one of the pet uniques plus the soulbound proc.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
This. You want the proc (and the rest of the soulbound set) in your Tier 3 pet.
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I tend to put one unique in the tier 1 bots (Edict of the master) and the other unique in the Tier 2 bots. Soulbound is saved for tier 3 bots. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Meh, not the whole set. Set bonuses (that aren't defense) are overrated for MMs. Just frankenslot the values you care about, and leave room for one of the pet uniques plus the soulbound proc.
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My thugs put them into gangwar so that I can 6 slot pets with the blood set.
For demon...eh we'll see. I'm waiting for GR to come out and pick up the whole thing at once vs. preordering now. I can always hop onto Test to take my DP or DS toons for a spin.
+HP bonuses are good for tankerminds since due to how BG mode interacts with your total health.
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I tend to put one unique in the tier 1 bots (Edict of the master) and the other unique in the Tier 2 bots. Soulbound is saved for tier 3 bots.
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Prot bots need to cram as much acc/damage/end in the first three slots that they can, the fourth slot is for healing, and the last two slots are for defense.
Sorry, I don't really mean that. Slotting is always to taste, but this is what works for me (without hami-o's)
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+HP bonuses are good for tankerminds since due to how BG mode interacts with your total health.
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I'm not so sure the set bonuses are as useless on a DS because of how good the whip attacks are - but that's still a small amount of overall damage.
So if it fires per hit, wouldn't that make tier 2 best with the damage aura or will it also fire on the demon prince frozen aura?
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Don't use your whip to do damage. Seriously. You can use the whip, but it's not to do damage. It's to apply -res to the enemies so your pets can do more damage.|
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I'm not so sure the set bonuses are as useless on a DS because of how good the whip attacks are - but that's still a small amount of overall damage.
So if it fires per hit, wouldn't that make tier 2 best with the damage aura or will it also fire on the demon prince frozen aura? |
Toggle damage auras like that won't trigger on a per hit basis. They can only trigger once every ten seconds. Every other attack, however, can trigger it per target.
Still, it's better to put the build up proc on your prince. He does the most damage to begin with, so the build up will be boosting more damage when it fires.
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And if you have to slot, its good to put the smashing damage proc from one of the slow sets for the Demon Prince (if mids is correct) since most of his attacks have slows, it would constantly proc.
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Still, it's better to put the build up proc on your prince. He does the most damage to begin with, so the build up will be boosting more damage when it fires.
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That was patched quite a while back (roughly near i15), but it was a long-standing bug.
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I'm told that Soulbound doesn't proc in anything but the top pet, in this case demon prince.
explanation - it's a lvl 50 IO, and you summon demon prince at your lvl, demons at your lvl-1, demonlings at your lvl-2. Haven't personally tried it in anything but the top notch pet. |
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Interesting, thanks for the heads-up.
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That was patched quite a while back (roughly near i15), but it was a long-standing bug.
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ACK! NO! BAD! *smacks with stick*
Prot bots need to cram as much acc/damage/end in the first three slots that they can, the fourth slot is for healing, and the last two slots are for defense. Sorry, I don't really mean that. Slotting is always to taste, but this is what works for me (without hami-o's) True, along with regen, but regen much less so. +recharge helps with traps for doublestacked acid mortars and such. |
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I wont waste a heal boost in the protector bots. They get 5 Blood Mandate plus one of the uniques.
The Supertankermind Bot/FF has 2 Def plus one unique and 3 Blood Mandates in the Protectorbots.
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I totally agree here. What I do is mix HOs and procs on all my MMs. Basically I go for the soul bound proc for which ever pet that does the most damage for a single attack. In the case of ninjas I put it in the Jounin. As for as my total slotting its pretty much 3 acc/dam HO, defense and resists procs, soul bound proc. Tier 3 pet might get 1 additional slot for end reduction as they tend to run low on end at times. The procs work good for ninjas because you can put the -resist proc that boosts all the pets damage when it lowers the resists of the target. Set bonuses pretty dont happen for me because garbage like 2% sleep resistance isnt going to do squat for me. Stuff like +damage is worthless because I have no personal attacks outside of the veteran stuff. I dont need defense or resistance because I rarely get attacked and when I do its usually when I am body guard mode so its barely any damage. I think overall they need to go back at look at set bonuses because some ATs dont benefit from them at all.
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Meh, not the whole set. Set bonuses (that aren't defense) are overrated for MMs. Just frankenslot the values you care about, and leave room for one of the pet uniques plus the soulbound proc.
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So, I'm holding off on making my DS until GR hits so I can start praetorian and go hero, and what drops today but a Soulbound Proc on my hero farmer.
So, would that be better in the tier 2 or the tier 3? Does it even matter for the proc going off if you have more than 1 pet attacking?